The blackout is starting to have a financial impact on Reddit, but we must stay dark!

If the performance weakness continues for a week or two, the agency would start recommending decreasing spend with Reddit or directing it to other platforms.

After the blackout, we will be closely monitoring user behavior on Reddit and guide clients when we can unpause,” said Freddy Dabaghi, managing director at Stagwell-backed Crispin Porter Bogusky, which has asked clients to stop campaigns, depending on their client goals.

menemen,

Protests and boycots can work. Just look at how Wizards of the Coast made a 180° turn with their changes regarding the Open Gaming License.

sunspider,

Hey! I'm keeping this as it's sharing knowledge with new users from Reddit. However, in future please find another community to post this on, because it is not related to the lemmy.world instance specifically.

Oughtakyk,

Nice, I won't go back to reddit after Apollo shut down

davi,

I just moved to Lemmy after staying on Reddit for almost 8 years! Hopefully more people will migrate too :)

Social media should never be centralized and for-profit

HerrLewakaas,

Moved today. A big part of what I enjoy on reddit is reading comments and with how active communities are over here, I just might be here to stay!

Rolldach,

me too. also really nice to just read normal commentsand not just upvote farming comments.

Sans_outside, (edited )

Once Reddit restricts it API usage and Stock goes public it will slowly just become another Digg clone.

GilbertGarfield,

I officially left reddit. Totally done with it. I remember when the Digg exodus happened. No one thought things would turn out the way it did for Digg. There will always be users on reddit, and who knows, maybe they will use AI to aggregate content to fill the void for those who have left. It's all about the targeted ads in the end; they don't care who submits content, they care about the views.

Schaedelbach,

Holy Moly! Only 9000 of about 100000 Subs reportedly participate in the protest! Not even 10 percent! Ugh!

Dadbot,

65% of the top 1000 subreddits. . Pretty impressive (and impactful hopefully).

skillissuer,

yall are going around on the internet without ad blocker in current year?

Black616Angel,

In this adconomy?

EsotericEmbryo,

Right? It's like sleeping with strangers without a condom on. Even the FBI recommends an adblocker now.

animist,

Also using my VPN's DNS to block adware on phone and desktop as well as Pi-hole at home for guests who don't use a VPN

daniskarma,

I've used an adblock for more than a decade now. At work, due to security reasons, the way we connect to internet is quite restricted and I don't have an adblock. Internet experience is terrible with that, like unusable. Most websites you barely can find what you are looking for, and the annoyance is constant. It's like a nightmare every time I have to use it that way.

Nogami,

I never gave them money, but I gave them free content. That is now done and gone. As soon as Apollo's API is deleted, I'm editing all of my old comments and posts to remove any content and let readers know what. Some of it was very helpful stuff to help others troubleshoot PC and server issues.

donnnnnb,

Does internet archive preserve these? I agree it's attracting clicks for reddit and should be removed, but a lot of really good information is about to be lost if people do this en masse.

Nogami,

I think that's the point though. I'd rather have all of my posts be edited to vanish instead of contributing them for free to an evil corporation.

donnnnnb, (edited )

Yeah but reddit shouldn't be getting clicks or revenue from the internet archive since it's just a snapshot. I hate to see knowledge destroyed, whatever the reason. I just hope there was an effort to preserve it.

I can't help but feel reddit is in a "heads I win, tails you lose" position right now with its users. They don't really need us. The formula for user engagement has been perfected by all the other social medias that came before it and in a short time I think reddit will be the same. Without an archive it seems like this is inflicting disproportionate harm on the community.

Wiping your account would reduce their clicks from searches, but as someone who uses a lot of open source software, this is a huge loss for all the tech help posts. If I could just search the archive for it though, that'd be great.

jcb2016_,

@Nogami @Jessica You realize that id you delete your account that has all that content the comments and post will be there but the author will say ,[deleted] nobody will know it came from you only reddit will know

Nogami,

That's why I'm not deleting my account, only editing my posts to something like "I have revoked Reddit's license for this post due to the actions of Reddit's management towards 3rd party app authors. You may contact me on Lemmy instead".

jcb2016_,

@Nogami Sweet yes I updated my Bio on reddit to point to lemmy and Mastodon. I'm happy here

stankbucket,

That's why you use shreddit. It can go through and remove all of your old posts. I used to have it running on a chron to remove all comments that had no or negative votes after a few weeks. You can actually set it to edit the comment into gibberish as well to muck with the SEO.

darkstar,

Are you going to manually edit all posts and comments or is there a tool one can use to bulk edit?

Nogami,

Power Delete Suite is the one people seem to be recommending, though I'm sure there are others.

dax,

This is really nice, if the protests start to hurt their bottom line, they are going to be much more inclined to listen. I didn't expect these blackouts to do something.

animist,

Or even better, fire the MBAs who came up with the stupid idea in the first place

100_kg_90_de_belin,

3rd-party devs recognized that paying for API access is reasonable, but they rightfully objected to the pricing.

The Internet is moving towards a subscription-based model, mimicking the one it opposed at the beginning. Or to put it more succinctly: app subscription are the new bills.

animist,

Guess I should have worded better. I actually like subscription-based membership if it means we remove advertisements and data collection/sales. I personally think spez is lying about reddit not being profitable. They are probably raking it in via ad sales and selling harvested data.

Kleinbonum,

I think the internet at its best is when it's ad-free, not harvesting and selling user data, and free to use.

Wikipedia is one of the most successful projects on the internet, and it works exactly like that.

Hypothetically, I wouldn't be opposed to some kind of compensation model. But experience shows that as soon as you introduce a for-profit model, people in charge will eventually ask the question "hey, if this is making money, couldn't we squeeze much more money out of it!?!?"

animist,

Oh I'm with you on that. I meant payments more just to pay staff salaries and for servers. Definitely 100% against profiting.

Cavemanfreak,

Even if it was true, the decision to host all images and videos themselves must have helped with that lol.

PC509,

Yea, and they really implemented that poorly, too. Reddit video has to be the worst video playback (when it does play back) on the internet since 1996...

PetrichorBias,

I don't think the idea is stupid, just poorly executed. From Reddir's POV, this makes sense (why wouldn't it?). They could have done this in a much better way.

Tsunami45chan,
@Tsunami45chan@lemmy.world avatar

Don't forget that in the end of the month and July 1st the third party apps will disappear on reddit. That means more redditors will to like lemmy or squablles etc.

skillissuer,

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    schnapsidee,

    Do you have a source on this? 5 days ago the message was "P.S. old.reddit.com isn’t going anywhere".

    skillissuer,

    i indeed have no source for that, so i deleted this

    gmmxle,

    A few months ago, the message was also "Reddit is not going to start charging for API access."

    I'm not saying old.reddit.com is going away in the very near future, but I also wouldn't put too much trust into whatever spez says on any given day.

    schnapsidee, (edited )

    I don't disagree, but there's a big difference between "it might stop working sometime in the future, there's no way to know for sure" and "it will stop working somewhere around the date the API changes are made".

    The first is a good guess, the second is just flat out wrong. Look, I don't like the reddit admins any more than the next guy, but there's no need to resort to straight up lying.

    gmmxle,

    Yeah, we're not in disagreement here.

    animist,

    And reddit in mobile browsers

    DulyNoted,

    Yeah, this is what I'm most interested to see. Right now it's a forward thinking, principled thing.

    Once Relay, RiF, Apollo, BaconReader, and all the others go defunct, a lot more people are going to take notice. If they use the awful official app, they're going to realize Reddit has changed dramatically and not for the better, and they've just been shielded from the worst if it with their 3rd party apps.

    GlassHalfHopeful,
    @GlassHalfHopeful@beehaw.org avatar

    I wish the acronym CPM was defined. Maybe I overlooked it.

    gon,
    @gon@lemmy.world avatar

    CPM probably means Clicks Per Minute.

    nanashi,

    It's the price for a thousand impressions of your ad. So, for every thousand times your ad gets displayed to a user, you pay the CPM amount. CPM is short for cost per mille.

    Ambiorickx,

    Cost per thousand. They don’t define it, because it’s a common metric in advertising.

    linearchaos,
    @linearchaos@lemmy.world avatar

    Yup

    https://advertising.amazon.com/library/guides/cost-per-mille

    nottheengineer,

    The constellation of thousand, mille and million will probably confuse people until the end of time.

    animist,

    And Milliarden :)

    Soyaro,

    now don't confuse them with other languages :-D

    James_Harmony,
    @James_Harmony@sh.itjust.works avatar

    I mean. We're all here. No idea how many people will actually stay, but I hope It's enough. I like the change

    MavTheHack,

    I wouldn't say we're all here. The statistics really don't show that unfortunately

    https://the-federation.info/platform/73

    James_Harmony,
    @James_Harmony@sh.itjust.works avatar

    I definetly didn't write clearly, sry :p

    I meant that everyone on this thread is already on board. I just hope people actually stay in Lemmy

    thefloatingpoint,

    I can only talk for myself. Since yesterday I lurk on Reddit but don’t really engage with it anymore other than that.

    As soon as Apollo is gone, even that will go away. I don’t know if I will stay on Lemmy, only time will tell even tho I hope so. But my active days on Reddit are ending right now.

    nottheengineer,

    Any amount will push lemmy closer to mainstream, so it's always a good thing. The world won't stop going into an anti-privacy and anti-freedom direction over night, so we might be looking at some exponential growth after the wave of new users.

    Hypersapien,

    It's hard to stay dark when the admins can put admin-friendly mods in charge of subs.

    LUHG_HANI,
    @LUHG_HANI@lemmy.world avatar

    They are going to use AI surely?

    musicalcactus,

    Is AI capable of this? My gut is that there is still too much nuance for AI to be successful, that it won't be able to adapt to changing circumstances as a subreddit community evolves for example. Are we at that point with AI technology?

    LUHG_HANI,
    @LUHG_HANI@lemmy.world avatar

    undefined> Are we at that point with AI technology?

    I don't see why not. Lots of companies are using AI chatbots now to replace CS agents. BT just sacked 4k CS agents for AI chat bots.

    Funwayguy,
    @Funwayguy@lemmy.world avatar

    They can try but without the moderation tools at the core of the issue, the subs will be inundated with bot spam till it dies. There will never be enough admins with free time to replace all the unpaid moderators let alone their knowledge. Not to mention doing a hostile takeover of subs without any understanding of each community's values will serve only to piss off more people.

    Besides cashing out a dying platform, there is no winning for Reddit if they keep this up.

    Ataraxia,
    @Ataraxia@lemmy.world avatar

    That's fine let reddit shittify itself further. Whoever they replaced them with is gonna do reddit bidding that is unless they turn on reddit, regardless its not going to return reddit to its former self.

    IcySyndicate,

    The next problem are the users that refuse to move away from Reddit. I've seen comments on subreddits that re-opened that say its not a big deal to them because they use the app. I guess people love getting fucked in the ass by these corporations

    lornami,

    Advertising on the internet has always been pretty awful. I wish it would just stop.

    AlternatePersonMan,

    The problem is that they always want more. It's not enough to make money. So the ads and intrusive garbage gets worse and worse until we reach an unusable nightmare.

    TV shows have banner ads during the show. Everyone wants to send you notifications. Even cars are starting to have ads on their screens.

    It's exhausting.

    shani77,

    We really shoulda nipped that bullshit in the bud decades ago.

    minimar,

    Corporations don't want to make a little money, they don't want to make enough money, they don't want to make a lot of money, they want to make all the money.

    plumbercraic,
    @plumbercraic@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    Tuned into watch Nhl this year. My god. There are fast moving full colour animations on the boards. Right in the middle of the action in one of the fastest moving contact sports with a tiny puck you're trying to keep track of. It's unwatchable. Had to just use it like a radio station and only watch when there was a highlight.

    dan1101,
    @dan1101@lemmy.world avatar

    Unless you want to pay something for every site you visit ads are a necessary inconvenience. Otherwise why would businesses pay to host interesting content for free?

    LawnMooser,

    You know before websites became the norm to access informations, the main way to follow topics of interest was both newspapers and publications, and those required subscription or a price anyway. Since i did not grow up with the internet all the time, i used offline means to get informations, and i am fine with it. I never needed reddit as a primary source of informations, i can cut down my usage of it by 100%. If we want quality we still need to pay for it, with few exceptions most free sites just exist for ads.

    Ichebi,

    Wikipedia and Archives Of Our Own have entered the chat

    SwingingKoala,
    @SwingingKoala@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

    I pay by contributing content, and I block ads. My content attracts people who don't mind the ads. Nobody is hosting content for free.

    gmmxle,

    Otherwise why would businesses pay to host interesting content for free?

    See, I think that's the problem.

    Wikipedia is one of the all-time great projects on the internet, and it keeps chugging along all without forcing miserable ads on its users or charging them a subscription fee or selling their data to the highest bidder.

    And their donation drives are perfectly fine, and I'm perfectly willing to give them some money every now and then as long as they're asking for what is needed to keep the site up and running.

    Maybe not everything should be run as a for-profit business, with an overriding goal of monetizing clicks and maximizing profits?

    Ataraxia,
    @Ataraxia@lemmy.world avatar

    It's obnoxious and has made me never want to see ads ever again. I'm OK with seeing something useful like a local ad for deals on a local food place or Safeway deals or something, toys and videogames maybe even movies but I shouldn't have to let them data mine me for targeted ads that end up being repetitive and constant. When living in italy we may have had programming that wouldn't start on time or not at all but at least it wasn't interrupted by ads. I was so confused as a kid seeing gargoyles have a weird spot or two where it would cut off with a dramatic reaction shot then continue with the same or similar one. I had no idea that's where ads went. I have no idea who ads work on but whoever you are stop buying stuff just because you saw an ad please lol!

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