The blackout is starting to have a financial impact on Reddit, but we must stay dark!

If the performance weakness continues for a week or two, the agency would start recommending decreasing spend with Reddit or directing it to other platforms.

After the blackout, we will be closely monitoring user behavior on Reddit and guide clients when we can unpause,” said Freddy Dabaghi, managing director at Stagwell-backed Crispin Porter Bogusky, which has asked clients to stop campaigns, depending on their client goals.

Death2lois,

Imagine after the 3rd party apps are killed!

randon31415,

The main draw was that people using 3rd party apps didn't see (reddit's) ads. If 10% of apollo's users go to the official app, that is 10% that are seeing ads were they didn't before.

GhostedIC,

Bit of a catch-22, because reddit is also counting all those 3rd-party users as part of their userbase when talking about how many users they have. These 3rd party app users also generate some of the content that draws undiscerning users to open reddit and view ads on the way.

EsotericEmbryo,

Yupp, bit of a leopards ate my face moment! Is their a community for that on here yet btw?

Banzai51,
@Banzai51@midwest.social avatar

Even if Reddit does negotiate manageable rates for "non profit" 3rd party apps (lol), wait until Reddit users figure out they still can't access NSFW content except from the Reddit official app and the new Reddit layout. Break out the popcorn.

BaldProphet,
BaldProphet avatar

Break out the popcorn.

squid010,

redditors around the world pounding their fists on tables

let us jerk, let us jerk!

mmmcheesums,

I truly never realized how many people used Reddit for porn until this happened

Magrid,

probably a good 40/50 percent of reddit user use it only for corn lmao

samus12345,
@samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

The internet is for corn!

minimar,

Sorry, Kate!

samus12345,
@samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

I masticate!

Cobe98,

Ooh show me your kernel.

EsotericEmbryo,

Linux users salivate

Magrid,

?

Banzai51,
@Banzai51@midwest.social avatar

Nebraska and Iowa lust intensifies.

BeMoreCareful,

Yeah, sway in the wind just like that. You know what I like.

TDSP,

Don’t forget Illinois! We lead the nation some years in… corn

Archer,

Your governors certainly enjoy giving it to the people

Puffymumpkins,

I legit thought that was the only utility of the site, outside of finding advice on how to get Linux to behave

Ataraxia,
@Ataraxia@lemmy.world avatar

I don't care if they fix all of that. I don't care about nsfw so it's no motivator but even if they offered to pay me I wouldn't go back. Not worth the consequences.

squid_mcnasty,
@squid_mcnasty@lemmy.world avatar

Honestly, regardless of what happens, I have no plans to go back. Lemmy's been a refreshing breath of fresh air.

Belgdore,

I’m really hoping the federated nature will make advertising harder. That’s what really started making Reddit suck.

Kroxx,

It really is, there isn't as much content as reddit and that may or may not change but the lack of people acting like they are better than everyone makes it well worth it. I deleted the app and won't go back

oskiboi,

Fully agree, let’s keep this attitude going here! :)

focusedkiwibear,

yup, let those folk stay on Reddit.

squid010,

Same. It's really struck me both how little I miss it and how much I like the communities here. There's a much friendlier vibe.

And for the most part, aside from the bullshit threads where it's encouraged and expected, the comments are a lot more 'high-effort,' which is nice. That's something that I would expect to tend to naturally go down with the lowest common denominator as user count increases, but we'll see.

blackhole,

I've been trying to put my finger on the difference... and I think that's it. Comments are high effort here.

The amount of straight up shitposting spam in comment sections of posts that are not clearly intended to be shitposts is insane on reddit.

Between bots, people with agenda's (paid to schill products, political stances, whatever), and lazy ass posting.... the percentage of good content to bad is very low over there.

By contrast, I feel a desire to read most of the comments I see posted here. Sure, there aren't 7k comments on every thread. There might only be 75. But that's 75 comments worth reading. Those 75 comments get lost in the spam over on reddit.

Less is more. And even if these sites don't rocket ship to the moon with adoption, I think we've already got enough of a critical mass for them to be worthwhile, and a good replacement for reddit for many of us.

Fubarberry,

Yeah, I think the kind of people to drop reddit over this are going to be more my kind of people, if that makes sense.

Conversation seems deeper, less dominated by repeated jokes.

totallynotsocsa,

The forum wheel spins what the forum wheel wills.

DarkDarkHouse,
@DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

All praise the hamster

louija,

Lemmy was not the beginning. There are neither beginnings nor endings to Reddit-esque forums. But it was a beginning.

hydra,
@hydra@lemmy.world avatar

also you don't have a karma system homogenizing behavior by making redditors constantly addicted to upcummies

FlaxPicker,

Doesn’t lemmy have w “points” thing?

hydra,
@hydra@lemmy.world avatar

At least the web UI doesn't show me my net score if there's one. And no one seems to care about karma or having a minimum karma to post like on Reddit. It was frustrating making a new account just to post on certain subs and having my stuff removed preemptively. I just hope to never experience that ever again.

FlaxPicker,

Even on reddit i didn’t care about karma, just posted and commented when i felt like it and where i felt like it.

SpaceNoodle,

As much as I'll miss my karma crops, the higher bar here (at least, for now) is a welcome reprieve.

DulyNoted,

This is a really good point, and one of the reasons I'm happy to make my new online home here.

The type of people who act like this is nothing, or worse, act like there's nothing that can be done and we should just roll over, won't have gone through the trouble to come here. And yeah, I'm with you, they can all hang out and circlejerk the same jokes over and over along with the bots.

Best of both worlds, and we're all happy. A bit of positive selection bias.

queermunist,

I wanted to leave for such a long time, but the alternatives weren't active enough.

If enough people stick around, yeah, I'm never going back.

kratoz29, (edited )

Until all the communities I love move here I think I'd be hopping back and forth from Sync for Reddit and Jeroba for Lemmy, until that happens or Sync breaks lol.

Mindlight,

I just hope Mr Dawson magically creates support for Lemmy in Sync for Reddit....

InnominateUser,

What do you mean by Lemmy for Reddit?

kratoz29, (edited )

A typo lol, I edited my comment, I meant Jerboa for Lemmy.

InnominateUser,

Ah ok, I thought I was about to learn something new again ^^

Tywele,

I also like it more and more, especially since more communities are popping up and they get more populated.

Nobody,

Two Wpromote clients canceled two premium, takeover-style campaigns that were supposed to launch this week

"Takeover" campaigns are getting canceled. I wonder which blacked out subs were going to be taken over with ads this week.

Jessica,
@Jessica@lemmy.world avatar

A new blackout tracker just dropped on the Discord: https://darktotal.com/

briongloid,
@briongloid@aussie.zone avatar

This one is much nicer.

naneek,

I’ve also been liking https://blackout.photon-reddit.com/

Jessica,
@Jessica@lemmy.world avatar

Oh that's a great one as well! The graph bottom right tracking individual subs over time is super helpful

mmmcheesums,

That’s very useful. I scrolled through the out of blackout list and was disappointed to find quite a few of my most-visited subreddits were public again

SpezCanLigmaBalls,
@SpezCanLigmaBalls@lemmy.world avatar

It almost makes me more upset that the subreddits are going public and makes me resist going back even more. It’s obviously having some sort of impact from that article about advertisers. Like, do mods really need to have their subreddit public that much? Go touch some god damn grass It’s irritating

Kyoyeou,
@Kyoyeou@lemmy.world avatar

Confused looking at r/gtafk jumping every hour from public to restricted to private to public to....

SpaceNoodle,

Mod fight, probably.

potterman28wxcv,

I love how this contrasts with the CEO statement that many subreddits would go back to normal after the 2 days

darkstar,

Thank you for sharing!

ps, which discord is this?

Jessica,
@Jessica@lemmy.world avatar

https://discord.gg/reddark

OofShoot,
@OofShoot@beehaw.org avatar

If I were world dictator I would just make advertising illegal. It's the perfect dictator move. Simple policy that's hard to enforce which will almost certainly have unintended consequences. But God damn do I hate advertising.

Magrid,

don't complain if all the free service become paid...

nif,

You ever though about where the money from advertisers comes from? I would pay for Google if I would then pay less for products that waste money on "marketing" by paying millions to Google.

Gravelsack,

I honestly think I'd prefer that they just let me pay them outright rather than trying to use me as bait for advertisers. The expectation that everything should be free leads to what we see today

Alpagu,
@Alpagu@lemmy.world avatar

I agree with you.

Magrid,

meh, good point but i'd prefer some reasonably placed ad (not like those website that have 99% ad and 1% content) instead of paying for something that maybe i'll never use again

666dollarfootlong,

Yea I wouldn't mind If some of these instances had like one stickied post at the top for a paid ad If that was enough to pay for most of these server costs

edgerunneralexis,

The thing is that there aren't significant direct production costs per user for technology services like there are for material items, just overall maintenance costs that only scale noticeably with a large increase of new users, so it would actually be possible to pay for infrastructure and salary costs and all of that with just a percentage of your overall userbase being subscribed and subsidizing the rest. This is actually a monetization strategy that's working out for some privacy focused services like ProtonMail. So it would be necessary to convince some users to sign up but not necessarily all of them.

Sunforged,

The public broadcasting model.

Shout out to KEXP.org

coldredlight,

It is such a bizarre and creepy industry. I support you for world dictator!

Beliriel,

The problem is that it is basically impossible to clearly differentiate from reviews which are a good and necessary thing. Pay someone to review your product and what now?

Steeve,

Your wish has been granted, all small businesses have gone bankrupt because nobody knows they exist and since the only form of advertising left is undercover guerilla advertising campaigns every post on every platform is secretly an advertisement!

terath,

I think it’s the form of advertising that is more of a problem. I despise ads, but I do enjoy window shopping. When I’m actually looking for a product I do want to see pitches.

Advertising today is a push model. It should be a pull model instead.

Belgdore,

I think people should be allowed to promote products and services, but those promotions should not be given any more weight than any other kind of post. The problem is when advertisers are allowed to buy spots on a site.

Steeve,

Wouldn't that just turn into who can afford the most vote manipulation on their reddit posts?

TheMauveAvenger,

Isn't that how it works now anyway, in addition to regular ads?

Steeve,

You're not wrong!

OofShoot,
@OofShoot@beehaw.org avatar

Ahh! Oh no! Who could have ever foreseen these consequences??

samus12345,
@samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

oh no

arin,

sadly adverts are what allows some things to be free to consumers, it's the funding that supports the content that people consume. It's what it is for now, in the future maybe there would be better merit systems funded by tax or something if humans get together and stop being greedy.

pe1uca,

On Monday, Reddit’s ad manager encountered a brief outage, during which buyers were unable to look at reporting statistics, even while impressions were still delivering, though the impact was fairly minimal, per four sources. (The Verge reported the moderator blackout crashed the site, although it’s unclear whether the crashes are related).

So the site was down for quite a bit of time but the ad related stuff was just a minor hiccup?

PutangInaMo,

Priorities

ZeroDrek,

At this point, even if they were to reverse all the decisions they’ve made, I have no intention or desire to go back to Reddit. Lemmy has been a great replacement and I’m hoping it’ll only improve over time.

Jon-H558,

Yep been looking for a replacement for a year or so but nothing had critical mass until

Parallax,
Parallax avatar

You being here is the improvement :)

printerjammed,
printerjammed avatar

is lemmy the same as kbin?

BaldProphet,
BaldProphet avatar

They both use the ActivityPub protocol. In fact, if you look at the users participating in this discussion, you'll find they are from various Lemmy and Kbin instances.

n1ckn4m3,
n1ckn4m3 avatar

Yea, KBin is effectively Lemmy (Magazines/Articles - reddit-like link aggregator) + Mastodon (Microblogs -- twitter-like open dialog) put together.

darkstar,

100% agree. I do miss apollo, but I'm sure in time we'll have some great apps for lemmy as well

AllonzeeLV,

I deleted my Twitter account and haven't been back since blood diamond heir and purchaser, not founder, of Tesla Elon Musk bought it.

I'm done with reddit. I just hope the anti-capitalist subs regenerate here or I'll have to find another place to vent (again, not reddit) in that regard.

I'd love to try to make one, but I'm too busy with wage slave survival to be an attentive mod.

Fauxreigner,

Libel of this nature must not stand. They're blood emeralds.

dojan,
@dojan@lemmy.world avatar

Green diamonds!

AllonzeeLV,

Cut my hands off why dont ya!

overzeetop,
@overzeetop@lemmy.world avatar

I’m just as happy here, for now. A community driven feed and a chance to interact with random people is enough to replace 95% of what I used Reddit for, and Twitter (which I was never really active in) and the alternatives that sprung up following the Musk cliff just don’t scratch that itch.

I’ve actually been expecting Reddit to die for a while and worried I wouldn’t find the Next Thing^TM until it was too late. I’ve gone through and deleted all my alts and their comments/posts, but will give spez another week before I purge my (almost 200k) main account. It would be nice if Lemmy got enough traction in my areas of interest to fully replace Reddit either way. I have some bad habits there I would be wise to leave behind anyway.

MagicShel,

Reddit doesn't provide anything I can't get elsewhere. I don't know anyone there, I just reply to comments that pique my interest. Heck I delete my Reddit account every few years for privacy so even my account itself isn't precious. I'm just getting started here but it's hard to imagine Lemmy couldn't replace it entirely.

CannaVet,

I nuked my 15 year 750k karma "main" recently because I ran afoul of a super mod who banned me from like 8 subs in one fell swoop because I talked shit on his favorite game or some dumb shit. IDGAF it's just the internet I'll burn my next one too if it feels appropriate (and I probably will now, I just want to find one of those comment scrambler things I've read about.)

jcb2016_,

@CannaVet @MagicShel Wow 750k ? How long you been on reddit? I been there 6 years and only got 350k

CannaVet,

It was my first one, early on as a teen, I'm spitballing numbers because I deleted it but I had it probably like 15 years give or take a few.

jcb2016_,

@CannaVet Wow, Glad you are here now. lemmy, The Fedeverse gotta be the future.

CannaVet,

I've been offloading various services to self hosting for a few years anyway, so moving to a decentralized social media is just a logical progression for me anyway haha. I primarily use a private email host and I have self hosted apps to replace Google Docs and the like along with music/media stuff.

jcb2016_,

@CannaVet Sweet!

SterlingVapor,

I've been looking for the next thing for more than a year, because the things that made Reddit a (relatively) healthier form of social media were being eroded. I tried out tildes, and the community was much more friendly, but almost too friendly. It was like they were overcompensating out of fear of the community becoming toxic... It wasn't terrible, but it wasn't comfortable - it felt like meeting strangers who you really want to impress. They're also somewhat anti-growth, which isn't a bad idea, but they were well below the sweet spot

Plus, I never loved the old school Reddit visuals, and it's design principle is html only and had no app or dark mode... All in all it's a great place for a specific group of redditors that didn't include me

Then I made up my resolution to leave Reddit when my apps go down and started looking at making a custom app to collate RSS feeds, and I started hearing about Lemmy.

I liked it enough that I've dropped everything and started building a better app. There's a lot missing, but there's so much good energy.

And the design principles of the fediverse address many of the fundimental problems with social media and the Internet as a whole. This might really be something important

hellothisisdog,
@hellothisisdog@yiffit.net avatar

long live lemmy 💙

aragon,

Reddit's soul was slowly drained off life. It's better here than going back to Zombieland. That's said, I will grab some popcorn and watch this slow train wreck called future of Reddit.

tekchic,

Agreed. 12 year account, I refuse to go back or even give them a click. I'll find my way in the fediverse just fine. It'll grow with care and users.

darkstar,

Speaking of popcorn, I'm literally going to go make some right now!

SaintPaul,

I cancelled my Reddit premium today. I was hesitant because I was in the $30/yr and didn’t want to get rid of that pricing since it’s $50 now. But I’m liking the fediverse and the quirks that comes with it. Will cancelling make an impact? Probably not. But I’d rather not support them if they’re not going to give me a choice on which app I use.

whitehatbofh,
@whitehatbofh@beehaw.org avatar

Earnest question, what did the $30/year get you? I never gave them a penny out of my own pocket, didn't know why I would.

SaintPaul,

It gave you 700 tokens a month. So you could give out awards to posts. It also removed ads. But I used Apollo and old.reddit(don’t know if ads are placed here) so it didn’t exactly benefit me much.

jdc_nm,

I also cancelled my Reddit premium. I was using Apollo so the no ad thing was not a factor and I never used my tokens. But I used reddit a lot over many years and wanted to contribute. Currently I am avoiding reddit and trying out Lemmy. Will decide before Jun 30 whether to delete posts/comments/account. I have also resrrected an RSS app which I had not been using for quite a while.

MorksEgg,
@MorksEgg@lemmy.world avatar

I never had premium. But I deleted my 8-year account today. I took a screenshot as I was using power delete suite. I was tempted to make a throwaway account and post it to some of their subreddits that are still trending and see if I could start some kind of stupid little movement. Maybe they think a little bit longer if they start seeing people delete long-term accounts. And I'm sure there are lots of accounts out there that are much longer term and much higher Karma than me. Actually sacrificing some of those accounts could actually make a difference.

Witty_Username_81,

Canceled my premium as well. I'm enjoying Lemmy so far and have no plans to go back to Reddit

Nymphioxetine,

Ah fuck yeah let’s go

crowsby,
crowsby avatar

[Advertisers] didn’t want to become the subject of users’ opinions about Reddit’s decisions.

—Anonymous media buyer

I mean, that's the cheat code right there. Reddit's decision-making has traditionally been swayed more by advertiser sentiment than something mushy and ephemeral like boring old doing the right thing or taking community interests into consideration.

If the protests could find a meaningful way to put pressure on the advertisers, we'd be reading a mea culpa from Steve Huffman within the day.

QHC,
QHC avatar

Reddit's decision-making has traditionally been swayed more by advertiser sentiment than something mushy and ephemeral like boring old doing the right thing or taking community interests into consideration.

I don't know how long you were on Reddit before this, but there's some recency bias here. Reddit and Huffman in particular used to be all on the "free speech" and "community first" kind of ideals. Then they realized they could make a ton of money by literally selling out to the pressure of advertisers.

The decline was many years in the making. This is exactly why it's not just about a single incident. It's a lack of trust that deteriorated and was finally embraced fully by that disastrous AMA.

FreeDiverX,
FreeDiverX avatar

I'm done with Reddit. 10 year old account, all content overwritten and then deleted.

https://github.com/j0be/PowerDeleteSuite

Parallax,
Parallax avatar

It's obviously a personal thing and you're free to do as you please, but I viewed all of my comments on Reddit as being possibly helpful for someone else in the future, so I never understood deleting everything. It might say "fuck you Reddit" but it also says "fuck you to anyone who might benefit in the future" too, like salting the earth.

It's just a bummer to find your exact issue in a Reddit topic only to see [deleted] followed by "Thanks that fixed it!"

FreeDiverX,
FreeDiverX avatar

I considered that but made the conscious decision that I was unwilling to let Reddit continue to benefit from my content. Even if viewed from a purely altruistic standpoint, it's clear that Reddit's days are numbered (at least what we thought of Reddit.) It won't vanish overnight, but will suffer a slow death a la Digg.

vegyk0z6,

This is it. It was Reddits responsibility to safeguard those answers and comments

Entropywins,
Entropywins avatar

I found it funny some folks didn't get that we are the heart and soul of reddit... I guess a lot of folk who weren't part of reddit growth couldn't see the forest for the trees - I know that's backwards but it applies.

QHC,
QHC avatar

For me, I deleted everything as a form of protest via civic vandalism. The users and the content they provide are what makes platforms like Reddit valuable. Removing my comments and posts is the best that I can help destroy Reddit's financial value, which is the only way to make our message heard or, if not heard, punish the company for bad behavior.

If that means we end up collectively losing valuable information, then that's a lesson to all of us that centralizing data under corporate control is a bad plan. Sometimes the only way to learn is to go through something painful.

uwaveguide,

yeah it was cool to just scroll for hours. helping folk with random info. finding random helpful info. they asked for what they are getting. I lit the match and burned all the history and deleted the account.

pilvlp,

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