blazeknave,

eBay!

mightyfoolish,

Microsoft would make more from continued Windows usage (between selling data and products like Office) then that license key sold in volume to the OEM.

TunaCowboy,

Penguin t4 starts at $799.00.

thinkpenguin.com/…/penguin-t4-gnulinux-laptop

Tattorack,
@Tattorack@lemmy.world avatar

I don’t get it. I wouldn’t need to have Linux preinstalled. I could just get… Literally any laptop and then only ever boot up Windows to download my preferred distro, if I don’t already have a USB ready.

TimeNaan,

The point is that you have to pay for that windows that you’re going to erase anyways. It’s not free.

Tattorack,
@Tattorack@lemmy.world avatar

In my experience, unless it’s the professional version of windows, laptops with windows tend to be a little cheaper than blank laptops. Pretty sure Microsoft actually pays manufactures to use Windows.

mutter9355,

I believe they pay OEMs as long as they exclusively use Windows, or at least they get a sizable discount

Matriks404,

Buy used ThinkPad.

TimeNaan,

Have two already, need something new, can’t be used. Please read the other comments before commenting, this is like the 7th one saying the same thing.

merthyr1831,

Even new Lenovo laptops can usually be bought direct without Windows

leanleft,
@leanleft@lemmy.ml avatar

its typically not good enough of a product to buy.
feel free to disagree.

Moggy,

Microsoft is not dominating the PC market like you think they are. Nowadays, if you’re in school, and the school tells you to use a computer, it’s probably going to be a Chromebook. Google has made it much cheaper for enterprises and schools to afford chromebooks, by giving them deals and building protocols that would specifically be useful in a school or work environment, and in some cases, forcing students/parents to buy Chromebooks specifically. And more rarely, requiring people to use them at work.

Also, I feel like this whole post completely disregards the existence of Chromebooks in general. They’re Linux computers. And they’re what most of the next generation are learning to use at school, and therefore, what most of them will probably buy when they buy a laptop. You know, assuming they didn’t think it was awful.

Nobody is forcing you to buy a computer with Windows pre-installed on it. People just enjoy hating on Windows. You basically can’t use Linux without having enough know-how to install it yourself anyway. Just delete Windows. Or is the Linux gang really just looking for every little thing to complain about? I think that’s what it is. You guys should spend more time pointing out why Linux should be the status quo, instead of complaining about the current status quo. It gets you nowhere with people who use Windows, and the Apple people laugh at you. So you’re essentially just circle jerking your favorite penguin. Why? Windows didn’t steal your girl. It’s an alternative. Buy a laptop that doesn’t have an operating system on it, if you’re so upset about it. They exist. It took me less than a minute to Google it. Want Linux on it? Buy a Chromebook. The world already conforms to you, and yet you still complain.

TimeNaan,

Way to completely miss the point there…

Moggy, (edited )

There’s literally a Chromebook section at Best Buy. The point couldn’t be more wrong. Quit complaining about non-existent problems just so you can make anti-Windows propaganda. It’s shameful.

TimeNaan,

Do you think everyone lives in the US?

Moggy,

Then install Linux FOR FREE on a Windows PC and stop whining. I used Best Buy as an example. I highly doubt Chromebooks aren’t available in your area. This is a list of every place that Chromebooks are sold, according to Google: "North America, United States, Canada, Mexico, Europe, UK, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Sweden, Austria, Rest of Europe, Asia Pacific, China, S Korea, Japan, India, Australia, Indonesia, Malaysia, Vietnam, Taiwan, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Rest of APAC.

You just wanted to complain and you know it. Educate yourself and stop spreading propaganda for Linux. Linux doesn’t need your help.

ikidd,
@ikidd@lemmy.world avatar

Last three laptops I’ve bought, the Windows install never saw the light of day.

cyberwolfie,

My laptop came preinstalled with Linux :)

ordellrb,

buy from the official website, you can select “no operating system” there. (did that last time from Lenovo’s site)

noxy,
@noxy@yiffit.net avatar

please share how I can configure a T14 AMD Gen 4 with “no operating system”

cuz I have never seen “no operating system” on Lenovo’s site and I’ve bought three thinkpads from them in the past four years!

ordellrb,

is it a region locked thing, i can select it from the german site: “Schau mal hier Junge” www.lenovo.com/de/de/configurator/cto/index.html?…

noxy,
@noxy@yiffit.net avatar

The US store only has Windows 11 Home and Windows 11 Pro.https://yiffit.net/pictrs/image/9642ac74-f4da-4000-bf04-cccd5bb324f1.jpeg

lightnsfw,

I couldn’t find that either. I did find this page for Linux options but only has one laptop. www.lenovo.com/us/en/d/linux-laptops-desktops/?vi…

dion_starfire,

They only offer that option for some models. For everything else, you have to select the Windows version with no added cost, and just eat the loss of the baked-in Windows tax.

Nyanix,
@Nyanix@lemmy.ca avatar

Not to be that “aktchually” guy, but Microsoft actually ends up paying OEM’s to ship with Windows, in order to drive costs down to be more affordable than competitors. You can still reimage with Linux, which I know, is an extra step from it shipping with Linux, but in a wild turn of events, we can thank Microsoft for driving down the prices of our to-be-Linux machines ;)

thecrotch,

I haven’t met a Linux user that would consider leaving the factory installed OS instead of immediately blowing it out and installing their own

bitwolf,

This route does still count as a Windows sale and you still pay for the license. So if the manufacturer offers a “no os” option, rather than any Linux option, it’s still a better choice than “Windows” if you know you will reimage to something else anyway.

OfficerBribe, (edited )

Have never seen this as a consumer though. I remember buying a laptop 10 years ago without OS since it was cheaper than same model with preinstalled Windows. Checked a random laptop and same still applies, version with Windows costs 30 eur more in my local webshop for what seems to be the same model with same specifications (No English available, use translate if needed):

DacoTaco,
@DacoTaco@lemmy.world avatar

You can add framework laptops to that list too.
To have windows you pay extra, no os is free

ICastFist,
@ICastFist@programming.dev avatar

I think that was only true back in the 90s, when there were still other OSes to compete against Windows, like OS/2, Solaris and BeOS late in the decade. Once Microsoft effectively dominated the consumer PC market (2000s?), they turned around to threaten to never do business with OEMs that dared to bundle competitors’ OS. They also did something similar in Japan, which destroyed NEC (who created the PC-88 and PC-98, the most popular 80s and early 90s computers there) dominance.

Trincapinones,

It would be cheaper also

sebinspace,

For them. They would just widen the margin and charge you just as much.

Trincapinones,

That wasn’t my experience buying a laptop, but it could be possible

bruhduh,
@bruhduh@lemmy.world avatar

There are new laptops without os preinstalled (freedos actually installed) i bought my hp255g8 Ryzen 5700u laptop few years ago that way

onlinepersona,
WhiskyTangoFoxtrot,

I was about to make a joke about how all Linux gaming laptops are Nvidia-based, but it looks like that’s finally changing.

MalReynolds,
@MalReynolds@slrpnk.net avatar

Oh wow linux laptop, so cheap, while I appreciate their existence, if you’re on a budget an old (t480,t440p) lenovo will do fine for most purposes, otherwise build a desktop.

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