While it’s true all of Western Europe is guilty, there’s a reason why people point to Britain first and foremost. Its empire was pretty much the codifier of what people think of when the word “superpower” is used. There wasn’t such an uncontested concentration of power in a single polity that could be projected globally until the UK came out on top from the Napoleonic Wars then went on to subjugate Asia and Africa by the mid-late 19th Century, essentially becoming master of the world market and trade networks (at least until the onset of WWI). Not even the Spanish and Portuguese Empires held such a monopoly. Even after the start of Britain’s terminal decline into becoming America’s lapdog in the cold war, it still influenced world politics in ways that still affect us today (relevantly, it was originally Israel’s patron power before the US supplanted them sometime in the 70s/80s).
sure, make comparisons between Nazi Germany, Apartheid Israel and … Russia
Are Ukrainians being crammed into a strip being bombed constantly without food or water? Russia despite being reactionary in many ways (eg LGBTQ rights) is relatively tolerant towards religious and ethnic minorities.
Oh fuck off. Russia is committing cultural genocide and is constantly bombing civilian targets. Russia thinks nothing of bombing hospitals or other civilian infrastructure. The only reason the Ukrainians are not also being crammed into a strip is because Russia's military hasn't been capable of doing that.
If by 'playing dirty' you mean 'committing heinous war crimes', no that's not an everyone thing. Sure, the US is also very guilty of it, and needs to be judged accordingly, but that isn't justification for Russia doing the same and more to Ukraine.
Yeah, you did… but that is not why we’re here, are we.
My point is, US liberals like to say “oh yeah, the US is also bad, but take a look at what that guy is doing”… if the US minded their own business from time to time, I’m confident the world would be a much better place to live in.
Sure. I'm also confident that if Russia did the same, it would also be a better place to live in too.
I don't deny the US does some incredibly messed up shit, hell I don't deny that the US needs to be tried for war crimes, but that's not justification for another country to do the same to a third country.
Actually, it is. If everyone respected the rules set by the UN, there would probably be no war crimes at all. But one side breaks them, then the other… it’s a slipery slope after that.
No it's not. It's a shitty excuse. It'd be one thing if Russia was fighting an opponent who was also subjecting their people to war crimes en masse, but that isn't what's happening. This is just silly whataboutism, not a moral justification.
There is no moral justification from one side or the other. Everyone does things they’re not proud of. It’s just life. You do shit and live with the conseqences. Everyone does that, even heads of state and their partners. Why they do that? That’s a whole different question and depends on the pros and cons regarding that decision. My best guess is either power, money or political gain. Everyone does it, the US is no different.
Well, they kinda asked for it. They were told not to apply for NATO membership numerous times (this is the real reason why the war started… this and land, but mostly this). When you have a powerful neighbour like Russia, you can’t just do whatever you want. USA planting it’s ass in Russia’s back yard is not something you get to play with. Same thing, but reversed, was with the Cuban missile crisis, but Russia backed off.
You don’t get to do whatever you want when you have powerfull neighbours.
Well, they kinda asked for it. They were told not to apply for NATO membership numerous times (this is the real reason why the war started… this and land, but mostly this).
And Russia proved valid their reasons for doing so.
But jesus fucking christ, you call that a justification for a complete and total invasion?
That's like blaming a rape victim because they wore revealing clothing.
You don’t get to pick and choose your fights with powerful neighbours. We have a saying, power doesn’t pray to god. You have to avoid fights with someone who is 20 times your size. Those are just simple facts of life. A monkey doesn’t challenge a gorilla for it’s territory.
Bro, Russia had already annexed parts of Ukraine in 2014. Russia already proved that they don't give a rat's dick about provocation or lack thereof.
Ukraine would have been stupid to not jump at a chance to join NATO at this point. There was already a clear need for an insurance policy against a Russian invasion.
Seriously dude, how much of a tankie do you have to be to keep victim blaming Ukraine?
Ukraine could have gulped and kept on opening markets towards the east (China and the likes… which is what Russia wants, no doubt there). They should have kept close relations with Russia, even after the annexation, cuz… you know, it’s Russia, they can prertty much do whatever they want 🤷.
And going on with that logic “my body, my choice”, here is where we end up. Thousands of civillians dead, soldiers as well, and they still won’t get what they want - being a part of NATO. Russia will never ever let that happen and the war won’t stop unless they completely fall back on this.
As I said, you can’t do whatever you want when your neighbour is an ex heavyweight champ. Sure, you can call the cops if pushing comes to shoving, but do consider what that person can do to you in the 5, 10 minutes that will take for the police to arrive.
That was an easy target, plus the population there is mostly Russian, so there was no objection or resistance from the local population. Putin knew this, that’s why they went for it. On the other hand, there was going to be war if he tried the same with the rest of Ukraine. And I agree, after reasurrances that Ukraine won’t try and be a part of NATO, Russia still finds an excuse to attack, yes, there is no way avoiding war. But, this option was never tried, so we’ll never know…
Actually, yes, Ukrainians that happened to live in the east of Ukraine are in fact stuck in a literal war zone without feasible way to live… unless they accept Russian “citizenship”, that is
I mean the fact that you think the people of hexbear support the Russian Federation thinking its communist but then go on to say they have no nuance or political intelligence is kind of funny
No one on hexbear likes Russia in its current state. No one thinks it is a “neo-USSR” (lmao). Russia is not Communist and no self respecting communist would call it that. The West is imperialist and bad, the most obvious example of this being the entire global south.
No one on hexbear likes Russia in its current state.
Meanwhile in this thread by hexbear users: “nothing Russia is doing is that bad, they should just become citizens, stop hating on russia”
For “not liking” Russia imperialism, they sure spend a lot of fucking time apologizing for Russia’s imperialism. We can hate multiple despotic shitholes at the same time, they are not mutually exclusive.
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