EmperorHenry,
@EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Trump is certainly better than Nikki Haley, Haley wants to dox the entire world.

thewut,

Are you guys kvetching about losing Trump…It was supposed to be our holocaust

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/3c80f457-7dc2-4eaa-b107-fab9c4513e85.png

Aatube,
Aatube avatar

What’s wrong with Jewish people running some companies

thewut,

The Federal Reserve? Media? Hollywood? Which one do you mind? There are more to choose from…

Aatube,
Aatube avatar

It’s just religion, what’s wrong with it? Catholics run even more of these

thewut, (edited )

75% of Catholics?

Please compare apples to apples…

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/4a5e3308-2e68-47c2-8cab-08012fed7b6e.png

thewut,

Sometime these Catholic Groups aren’t actually Catholic

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/ebac1723-4d84-468b-bddf-52be75d6994d.png

thewut,

It will likely end bad for 75% of us on the planet…

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/f961adcb-a912-4d94-be83-3cea49b3e9e7.png

thewut,

Is it ok if America buys out the owners of the Federal Reserve? A company is a company…a monopoly is a monopoly?

werefreeatlast,

LOL. Total land slide by just 15% of the votes …where the heck was the rest of the population at? PTA meetings?

CoffeeJunkie,

It was cold AF. They didn’t want to freeze. The entire Midwest…cold AF right now.

werefreeatlast,

The PNW is also just barely out of the freezer today. Lots of slushy black iced roads and such.

Schadrach,

Not just the Midwest - there was one weather station in WV that was reporting a colder temp than one of the stations in Antarctica for a bit earlier this week.

rusticus,

History. Since 1972, the Iowa caucuses have had a 55% success rate at predicting which Democrat, and a 43% success rate at predicting which Republican, will go on to win the nomination of their political party for president at that party’s national convention. Source: Wiki

Randelung,

Makes it easier to decide at the actual election. The "RINO"s might be swayed to not vote for drumpf when they might have for someone else.

therebedragons,

Anyone else looking into viable countries to move to if this shitshow happens again? Whats your top 3 list??

HowManyNimons,

The fashycons are taking over all around the world. They’ve managed to convince everyone that this shit economy is anyone’s fault but theirs.

hex_m_hell,

Neoliberalism is the gateway drug to fascism.

force,

netherlands, denmark, maybe germany, maybe finland. i’d most rather live in the netherlands or possibly denmark, although it’d probably make more sense for me to want to live in germany or finland because i don’t speak dutch or danish lmao. regardless though getting permanent residence in denmark or finland is practically a hopeless goal for a majority of people, so they’re basically out of the question

i can get slovak, maybe german citizenship based on descent (i’m in the process of getting the stuff i need from the slovak government to apply for citizenship but they really take their sweet time) and i’m mostly a software guy so it’d probably make the most sense to move to one of those, however the netherlands probably holds way better opportunities for me

for most people getting into another country (especially europe) is out of the question though, you either have to have extremely marketable work experience (like 3-5 years as an engineer or developer) or you have to happen to qualify for citizenship by descent and have the birth/marriage/death/citizenship/residence documents for it (e.g. anyone who had italian citizenship since 1860, anyone who lived in an area controlled by hungary ever since hungary existed, anyone who was polish 1920 or later, anyone who was czechoslovak or german for the past century, an irish grandfather)

therebedragons,

Yea citizenship would be a rough go in some places. Hopefully my work experience at least gets me in and see how it goes from there.

Zealousideal_Fox900,

Australian here. Planning my exit too. Probably Finland. Or maybe Ireland.

therebedragons,

Yea Ireland is on my short list. Maybe Germany, havent followed their recent politics too much though.

Zealousideal_Fox900,

Yeah, I have a sort of free entry to ireland due to it being in my blood but not 100 percent sure.

BartsBigBugBag,

If the media didn’t want him to win, they shouldn’t have called the race before even 10% of the state got a chance to vote. There’s going to be hundreds, possibly thousands of people who left caucuses early when they heard the race was called. The media is not only complicit in his win there, they have also exposed themselves to retaliation from campaigns and voters alike.

jaeme,

Common China W. Americans literally dying as a nation day by day while China becomes the guardian of the world. Century of humiliation.

Guess the capitalism didn’t pay off?

Quadhammer,

China is mega capitalist bro

jaeme,

Keep telling yourself that as the US slowly crumbles and destroys itself to satisfy the whims of a few capitalists at the top.

The East is still Red and the West is doing high octane copium.

Aatube,
Aatube avatar

As a Chinese person, I can attest that the country is capitalist with a few specks of socialist distribution. Show me how the heck a free market with Tencent everywhere has achieved communism. And since when are western countries cooperating under China’s guardianship?

CoffeeJunkie,
jaeme,

Taiwan will be red, either by accepting the CPC and reunifying or by allowing themselves to be a proxy for Washington’s war with communism and declaring their meaningless independence.

CoffeeJunkie,

TAIWAN NUMBA OOOOOOONE!

Blackmist,

Massive Coronary 2024.

The only sane choice.

endhits,

DeSantis is a much worse choice than trump. I would take trump over him any day of the week.

RememberTheApollo_,

Desantis has the veneer of sanity, and actually has a clue regarding how to make things worse. He knows exactly what he’s doing. Trump just flails about and expects underlings to figure it out.

ynthrepic,
@ynthrepic@lemmy.world avatar

My only hope is that people as morally insane as Trump are rare, and there may be a correlation between his sociopathic traits, and how seemingly incompetent he is.

What this hopefully means in practice is that even though this time around he will surround himself with yes-men over which he will have more control, few of them will be precisely like Trump and so not immune to actual concern for the future, and to Trump’s surprise will not all follow his insane ideas without question, as Trump clearly wants everyone to do. He can’t rule on his own. He does need some people, and people needing people requires at least a semblance of regard for others.

In this same way, even his stacked Supreme Court I think will still be likely to put America itself ahead of Trump and a victory that would make a mockery of their own institution, the constitution, and just general common sense.

It’s only a shred of hope, but one which might enable civil society to survive another Trump presidency, and if we’re really lucky, avoid it.

CaptPretentious,

I know nothing of DeSantis outside he’s running. Can you or someone share a tl;dr. It’s hard for me to imagine someone worse than Trump. But then again, never thought we’d have someone worse than George W…

Kellamity,

The short version is that he’s gutted public services in Florida and made life worse for nearly everyone there - while engaging in massive culture war bullshit to distract his base

Not to downplay that, it includes laws and discourse such as ‘Dont Say Gay’ and attacking school curriculums that are incredibly damaging. He’s the guy that flew refugees to Martha’s Vineyard to ‘make a point’

time.com/…/ron-desantis-florida-governance-essay/

BlackPenguins,

Desantis is basically a competent Trump. They both have terrible ideas but Desantis would be able to pull it off because he already has in ruining Florida.

Linkerbaan,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

Good thing the DNC is picking a totally reasonable and non controversial candidate for the Democrats. Definitely not a straight up genocide supporter.

endhits,

Trump is a Zionist too dude.

Linkerbaan,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

Yes. we are the point that both parties are Nazis’s.

Following this course of sliding right into Nazism we’ll have Adolf Hitler running for the Republicans and a Trump figure running for the Democrats. And then you’re all going to vote for the Trump guy because he’s not the Hitler guy.

YeetPics,

Trump is a genocide enjoyer, he goes way beyond supporting it.

fosho,

this fucking guy again. every single comment is some form of Biden genocide. we get it. we don’t like it either. but we aren’t so stupid that we think trump would be better. he would be so much worse. he would probably be genocide plus fascist.

Linkerbaan,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

You’re all sticking your head in the sand pretending that only Trump would do genocide while Biden is actively committing genocide. It’s real time Holocaust denial here.

fosho,

after a decade of trump, if you’re advocating that he’d be better then you’re the only one doing the pretending around here.

Linkerbaan,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

After Biden committing GENOCIDE you’re the only one pretending if you think you aren’t hitting yourself in the face just as hard as Republicans.

fosho,

trying to sound cool isn’t exactly an argument-winning tactic. you have no leg to stand on when the simple fact is that one candidate is FAR worse than the other.

yes the suffering in Gaza is severe. but gazans are not more important than everyone else and there is plenty of evidence to support the claim that trump in power will harm many more people than gazans.

unfortunately your skull is too willfully thick to accept or at least address this obvious point. so why not just resort to more insults if that’s all you got?

madcaesar,

Oh right, let’s support Republicans, they are the party of peace!

GTFO with your disingenuous bullshit. Republicans started TWO illegal wars, killed hundreds of thousands DIRECTLY and have supported Israel’s bullshit just as fervently.

Pretending like if Trump was in office he’d be stepping on Israel’s neck to stop is some of the biggest bullshit I’ve read online in a while.

Not to mention they Trump supports Putin a full on dictator currently engaged in ethnic cleansing.

I don’t know if you are a troll or just incredibly ignorant.

Linkerbaan,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

Last time I checked Biden bypassed congress to sell weapons to israel, not for Ukraine.

dangblingus,

Despite genocide being bad, Biden supporting it doesn’t directly affect Americans. It’s still more of a self-own for the Republicans.

Linkerbaan,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

Biden did more to destroy America’s global reputation than even the moronic orange man.

YeetPics,

The orange genocide enjoyer?

GilgameshCatBeard,

You kids need a new bit. This isn’t working like you think it is.

Linkerbaan,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

We can move on if biden stops his GENOCIDE

Quadhammer,

Bruh the whole senate just voted against it

GilgameshCatBeard,

Lol

Sibbo,

Isn’t the point of “conservatives” to tear everything down? Because then they just elected the right man for that.

YeetPics,

Nah that’s just how they look from a sane individual’s perspective. They think they’re helping, it would be cute if it wasn’t so fucking sad.

mo_lave, (edited )

That’s an accelerationist or a nihilist. If the status quo is pro-immigration and pro-LGBT rights, wanting to keep this status quo will make you a “conservative” because you want to conserve the status quo.

People love to harp about the good ole days

They’re reactionaries.

tormeh,
Anticorp,

“Conservatives” haven’t wanted to conserve anything in a very long time. They want to prop up the rich with government subsidies, hurt the poor, control the women, and hopefully kill some sick people along the way. That’s a damned far sight from conserving traditional American values.

thesporkeffect,

The thing they want to conserve is a hierarchical society defined by wealth and privilege

Senal,

i’d imagine a part of the problem is that at least some of them do in fact see those things as “traditional american values” so from their perspective they are conserving their version of reality.

Genuine question as i don’t actually know the answer, is conservatism considered to be the conservation specifically of “traditional” values. Like, is there an agreed upon timeframe in which these traditional values were held or is it more of a moving target sort of thing ?

Seasoned_Greetings,

I’m no expert, but I always thought the American brand “conservative” stood for “fiscal conservative”, as in, to save money by limiting government spending.

That definition lines up well with their actual policies which tend to be cutting government spending, tax cuts, downsizing government jobs, etc.

Not really conserving traditions. Although there’s plenty of that in their cultural identity.

Edit: to be clear, the party has long since moved past being actually conservative. The most accurate description they might have now would be the party of spite.

rusticus,
Facebones,

This though. People love to harp about the good ole days but leave out that the good ole days were good cause only cishet white men could participate in the economy

lolcatnip,

Someone strapping on a suicide vest would be a more appropriate image.

gAlienLifeform,
@gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah, it’s not just his supporters who will get hurt if he gets power again

KingThrillgore,
@KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml avatar

The problem is I actually see Trump winning by breaking every system in the process and the ramifications will be, well, bad

dangblingus,

His followers were loyal enough to ransack the Capitol building, what would he have them do in the face of his conviction or disqualification?

Anticorp,

Who cares? Let’s get it over with. Causing opposition to move fearfully has served these traitors for too long now. We will do the right thing, within the limits of the law. We will not allow fear to dictate how we respond to evil.

OurToothbrush, (edited )

Honestly this is just liberal strongman politics.

Please learn to identify and complain about the things that are actually increasing fascism and not just be like “bad people might make the country bad if they’re in charge” Trump is a symptom not the disease.

Custoslibera,

What, in your opinion, is actually increasing fascism if not Trump?

OurToothbrush,

As empires collapse imperial violence turns inward. For a more in depth analysis I would read anticolonial theory or Marxist analysis of Nazi germany, like “economy and class structure of german fascism”

Custoslibera,

Hmmmm

It’s possible to be more than one thing driving fascism.

In the absence of a general worker uprising to bring about revolution (this isn’t going to happen before the election) stopping Trump is a fine alternative to stem fascism.

We know that fascists need a charismatic leader with unquestionable authority (Trump) may as well cut that head off the snake now.

Does that stop capitalist interests? No, their money and power is still there but it at least won’t be manifesting through a dictator.

Capitalist interests have operated just fine without a dictator.

OurToothbrush, (edited )

I mean we don’t have a dictator and we’re involved in killing tens of thousands of Palestinian civilians over the course of a month. Even if Trump is never elected again we keep sliding into fascism, and liberalism doesn’t really have a response to that besides to join in.

GreyEyedGhost,

So…threatening to retaliate against those who didn’t vote for him last election? Removing rights from various classes of people? Those kinds of things?

OurToothbrush,

Yes those are all indications of colonial violence turned inward.

Zoboomafoo,

You still need to treat symptoms

OurToothbrush,

And if you only treat symptoms, what happens?

Also no, in many cases you do not have to treat symptoms, and it can be damaging to do so. It’s not a good extension of the metaphor.

YeetPics, (edited )

only

Great, another ‘absolute’. I wish you could discuss in good faith.

.ml consistency lmao

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