Far-right Israeli minister's criticism of Biden sparks anger at a sensitive time for US ties

The Biden administration has skirted Congress to rush weapons to Israel and shielded its ally from international calls for a cease-fire in the four months since Hamas’ Oct. 7 attack that triggered the war. But the White House has also urged Israel to take greater measures to avoid harming civilians and to facilitate the delivery of more aid to besieged Gaza.

Itamar Ben-Gvir, Israel’s national security minister, in an interview with The Wall Street Journal said Biden was hindering Israel’s war effort.

“Instead of giving us his full backing, Biden is busy with giving humanitarian aid and fuel (to Gaza), which goes to Hamas,” Ben-Gvir said. “If Trump was in power, the U.S. conduct would be completely different.”

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Good. Keep saying shit like that and hopefully Biden will get fed up and actually turn against Israel.

Oisteink,

When? How? Would he do that to boost trump? To make the dude right? The US is too tied in to Israel to do anything. You’ve been sending them free money for years - you think they can stop??

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Yes, I guarantee you that the Israelis would absolutely prefer Trump over Biden.

Trump moved the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem. That was America directly provoking Palestinians. It was also exactly what Israel wanted.

I’m not saying Biden is Israel’s enemy or anything, but it’s the difference between kissing an ass and sticking your tongue right up the rectum.

And if we are lucky, between this and the increasing American public’s distaste for Israel’s war, Biden might actually at least try to do something.

Oisteink,

I’m not arguing on who’s their best friend, just saying that they have done this for decades already and you’ve still sent them foreign aid - like 300bn usd so far, starting in 1946. And like I said I can’t see how he can or will reverse even if they shit on his food. All his “bombs for kids” programme will be a huge mistake - a looser

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

You don’t see how he can not give Israel foreign aid?

Maybe he can just… not do it?

Oisteink,

Probably - I don’t know how that part works. I just see a man loosing a lot of face doing it. Killing kids at ok - he still sends ammo. Israel will keep on insulting you and you will pay them. And you will send weapons. And possibly send more guys to the Middle East rather than pull out of Syria and Iraq

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

apnews.com/…/israel-palestinians-poll-biden-war-g…

Broadly, the poll shows support for Israel and the Biden administration’s handling of the situation ebbing slightly further across the board. The poll shows 31% of U.S. adults approve of Biden’s handling of the conflict, including just 46% of Democrats. That’s as an earlier spike in support for Israel following the Hamas attacks Oct. 7 sags.

It’s an election year.

Oisteink,

It is - and my reasoning is that it will hurt him more and boost trump more - than just keep going as is.

If you can pick between the one that sends money and the one that will send money, it’s same-same so no downside for Biden.

I don’t follow your politics closely, but I think your budgeting on that for 2025 starts in a month. And that the previous one (2024) was approved in autumn 2023

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

How would continuing to do the thing that is unpopular help him get votes?

Oisteink,

Who they gonna vote for? Trump? They gonna sit out because of it? Will trumps voters sit home because of it?

bigMouthCommie,
@bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social avatar

i like cornel west

Oisteink,

No idea who he is sorry. Is he independent?

bigMouthCommie,
@bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social avatar

he is a well known academic. he is independent.

Oisteink,

Thanks. Sounds far better than a tv-star or a demented guy killing kids. I will look for him in the news,

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Who they gonna vote for? Trump?

Possibly. That happened in 2016.

They gonna sit out because of it?

Possibly. Certainly people have been saying they will do that or vote third party rather than vote for “Genocide Joe.”

Will trumps voters sit home because of it?

Doubtful.

Oisteink,

I still think he will count on them not doing that.

I don’t know too much about your elections, so it’s based on previous actions by Biden and the human trait of going down with the ship rather than admit you were wrong.

Icalasari,

Issue is a lot of the states do not realize that Trump winning would almost certainly lead to a dictatorship and think they CAN afford to not vote for Joe. So yes, there may be enough who sit out that Trump could eek out a win

PugJesus,
PugJesus avatar

God, imagine our 40 year fellatio of Israel being ended because a couple of Israeli politicians were not just genocidal, but genocidal and assholes to their allies.

A man can dream.

NoneOfUrBusiness,

"40 year" man, Israel has been the 51st state since at least the 70s.

fiat_lux,

The US needs to condemn Israel because of the atrocities it's committing - the fact that those haven't been convincing enough is horrific. And the idea of hoping for a reactionary policy change because a single poor excuse for a human being was showboating? Somehow that's even more terrifying than just having a military-industrial economy making strategic genocide-supporting decisions.

Perpetual war is how the US maintains hegemony. They have no interest in stopping Israel, because it both pays the US ruling class and keeps the wealthy Islamic nations busy spending money on keeping their own people alive and borders intact. If you and other Americans want your government to condemn genocide, you're going to have to do more than hope Ben-Gvir is irritating enough. Because the entire US economy banks on this continuing.

ghostdoggtv,

Condemn, sanction, and occupy Israel if that’s what it takes.

PugJesus,
PugJesus avatar

Perpetual war is how the US maintains hegemony. They have no interest in stopping Israel, because it both pays the US ruling class and keeps the wealthy Islamic nations busy spending money on keeping their own people alive and borders intact. If you and other Americans want your government to condemn genocide, you're going to have to do more than hope Ben-Gvir is irritating enough. Because the entire US economy banks on this continuing.

jfc

fiat_lux,

Perhaps some more familiar packaging would be more to your taste:

The US enjoys its positioning as a global leader by addressing security challenges using strategic partnerships with the goal of ensuring freedom and bolstering regional security and prosperity. To stop providing strategic support to Israel would compromise their historic friendship, their good economic relations, and an integrated Middle East.

Phrasing credit to the US justice department's 1999 memo on the Agreement Between The Government Of The United States Of America And The Government Of The State Of Israel Regarding The Application Of Their Competition Laws and the 2023 Announcement of "Operation Prosperity Guardian".

ShaggySnacks,

Itamar Ben-Gvir is a terrorist.

One of the people in the mix for a top slot is Itamar Ben-Gvir, set to be named national security minister — a job that could include overseeing some police activity in the occupied West Bank, which is home to millions of Palestinians. Ben-Gvir has previously been convicted of racist incitement against Arabs and of backing a terrorist group.

Biden’s strategy for a far-right Israel: Lay it all on Bibi, December 20, 2022

LordBelphegor,

Not sensitive enough

electric_nan,

Take every bit of aid and weaponry currently going to Israel and Egypt and give it to the Palestinians. Only then will Israel learn how to negotiate.

theotherverion,

That will definitely work out well and they totally won’t remove Israel from the map.

Zaktor,

Itamar Ben-Gvir, Israel’s national security minister, who was literally convicted of supporting terrorists. For some reason my search of the article gets no hits for “terror” or “convicted”. Instead he’s just “far-right”.

theotherverion,

He also supported the killing of Rabin…

butt_mountain_69420,

Stop all support of Israel. Stop all funds to Israel. Refuse entry to all Israeli passport holders. Deport Israeli visa holders. Arrest and imprison all MOSSAD agents in the US. Seize and forfeit all US assets held in full or in part by Israeli citizens. Israel is an illegitimate terrorist state.

theotherverion,

No, it isn’t.

Semi-Hemi-Demigod,
Semi-Hemi-Demigod avatar

Criticism of Biden?! RUSSIAN PLANT!

thesporkeffect,

I’m really struggling to determine how many layers of irony this comment contains, A+

NoIWontPickaName,

It’s like an ogre, or a parfait.

Gazumi,

On one hand, I hope that he becomes rude to Biden to the point that the US withdraws support. On the other hand, he knows that his commentary boosts Trump voters, which could lead to Biden having to bite his tongue, or edge a Trump win. This is an increasingly crap time on earth.

theotherone,
theotherone avatar

Ben-Gvir will be removed from the cabinet before anyone allows him to seriously jeopardize Israel’s relationship with the US. There is far too much money at stake.

givesomefucks,

Biden will support Israel no matter what, he’s been saying it publicly for 60 years, so Israel doesn’t give two shits about Biden.

Like a kid who’s a complete dick because mom never gets mad and still gives him his huge allowance

dannoffs,
@dannoffs@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Man orchestrating a genocide upset that he’s being pushed to do it slower.

Rentlar,

That’s a case of biting the Military Industrial Complex that feeds you.

babypigeon,

What an absolute turd.

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