The eternal issue, people see these rural areas and go “Oh how quaint! Lets live here!”. Then they proceed to destroy the very things that attracted them. “Oh, these farms are smelly, and these animals are noisy. Can’t have that.” Lets move to the woods and cut all the trees down, then move to the desert and suck all the water up to force the landscape to look like a golf course.
I remember a comedian said "Real estate developments are named after the thing they destroyed when they built it, like “Beaver Creek” or “Oak Woods”.
I remember when the rich people moved up from NY and NJ to Maine to live in all those quaint seaports then they complained about the smell from the docks and such because of the people who dared to work as lobstermen and fishermen instead of lawyers. Maine finally got sick of it and passed laws protecting the working seaports.
Then the rich folks bought the pretty islands off of the coast and complained about the foghorns that are part of the protection system for boats. So now they don’t sound unless you have a device that triggers them. Part of the beauty of the seacoast, hearing the foghorns, is now gone because some millionaire needs to be coddled.
Can we ban my neighbor yelling back at the roosters? Like, buddy, I’m sorry that Disney tricked you into thinking it’s a sunrise thing. They do it all hours of the day and night as they please, and you yelling “SHUT THE FUCK UP IT’S NOT SUNRISE” isn’t helping anything.
For those who don’t know: on the island of Maui- known for it’s lush green central valley of sugar cane waving in the breeze- a bunch of real esnake developers began complaining about their fake paradise getting covered in ash from the nighttime controlled burns by the sugar cane company (about 160 years old)…see, they had built right in the path of the wind.
Long story short, they bribed the officials and won. Now Maui is a brown, unattractive desert with uncontrolled wildfires instead of controlled fires with irrigation sprinklers.
Now Maui is a brown, unattractive desert with uncontrolled wildfires instead of controlled fires with irrigation sprinklers.
Maui is going to die.
If you ended that reply by commenting on the central valley alone, you might have a valid point, but you imply all of Maui is brown and going to die. That is incorrect. I am also on this island and can see it myself.
edit: it also leaves out how most residents also wanted the cane burning and plowing to stop because it was a health problem, and how companies are slowly replanting that land with various crops that don’t cause the same type of issues, but are still in early stages.
It also implies that there’s only one place affected by the ashfall and dust by being downwind, which is incorrect when people in Kihei, Wailuku and Paia can be affected (as experienced personally by myself in all three places), which are all in entirely different directions. The wind doesn’t always blow one way here.
edit2: it’s also weird that this reply was to an article about roosters, but instead of commenting on that problem here, you went with something completely unrelated.
LOL, whatever dude, the loss of Lahaina should not be underrepresented, but it was not the only primary attraction. As someone who woke up with breathing issues from cane smoke while living in Kihei, Wailuku, and Paia, it was a problem for everyone within wind’s distance. Anyone, including yourself, who says otherwise is just fucking ignorant. And any such law that we may need to have in place is totally irrelevant to the cane fields and all the reasons that whole operation was stopped. The only people legitimately sad about it were cane field workers, which lasted until they got different jobs. While we live on the same rock, we clearly live in different realities.
Not a problem now, because the burning has stopped, dumbass.
You talk about how something was the biggest local news item, yet apparently totally ignored the years of complaints from locals and long-term residents suffering from various forms of smoke-induced asthma, emphysema, etc… which is why it’s ridiculous that people here are still giving older folks wearing masks a hard time, because many of them were wearing masks during burning seasons to help with the effects before the pandemic even happened.
Now we have even more dust and fires since there’s no irrigation system to control it.
LOL, no, that’s not true either. The main places we had uncontrolled fires didn’t have irrigation to begin with, with exception of the one downhill from Pukalani headed towards Maui Meadows (edit: actually, no, the area approaching Maui Meadows never had irrigation either), but please, do point out where the irrigation systems were in Kula, Olinda, and over on the west side so I can go see where that used to be. All the other fires we’ve had recently are the pedestrian variety probably caused by cigarettes being thrown out like usual, and they were all quickly brought under control. I get the alerts for emergencies and all clears just like everyone else here.
This nonsense may go over with people who don’t live here, but I do live here.
And don’t put “maui” in your screen name or emails; that’s carpetbagger shit right there.
No, you can get over it. If it’s a problem for you, that’s just too bad.
Thank you for being the perfect demonstration of the problem. All the complaints you mentioned came from new residents in new housing projects. VOG- from volcanoes- has been a respiratory issue here when the trades died more than cane burns have. Havent seen much of that recently.
Wrong again, not sure what part of “Paia” and “Wailuku” you don’t understand, but neither of those places has had new housing projects.
Also not sure what part of “locals” you don’t understand, but not many of them are in new housing projects either.
I lived for several years at the end of West Vineyard St in Wailuku, overlooking Happy Valley, in the opposite direction from Kihei, and we got smoked out by cane burning on a regular basis. That’s not even remotely a new housing project area.
edit: seriously tho, are you actually trying to blame smoke complaints on vog? That’s the dumbest thing you’ve said yet. It’s a completely different problem with milder effects. People think they’re having allergies and going for the antihistamines, they aren’t waking up with their eyes and lungs burning.
We are never, ever going to agree on this. You’re being straight up melodramatic. You were not getting smoked out on a regular basic because that is neither how field rotation nor trades winds work.
But be happy! You whined and bitched like little girls and shut down a factory, destroyed a power plant (TWO of them!), and put lots of people out of work and some out of lifelong careers. Mazel tov!
Now Maui is a brown, unattractive desert with uncontrolled wildfires instead of controlled fires with irrigation sprinklers.
Maui is going to die.
I already quoted you before but there it is again, in all its melodramatic wrongness.
edit: not to mention that part of the smoke pollution was them burning the existing pipe along with the cane, because it was basically impossible to harvest around it, and it wasn’t harvested until after it was burned.
And, again, the uncontrolled wildfires have been in places where there was no irrigation to begin with.
edit2: It’s still baffling that last part has to be explained for you. There have been no uncontrolled fires in any areas that previously had irrigation, because all the cane field road infrastructure is still there, so the fire dept can drive right to it. Meanwhile, the uncontrolled fires were uncontrolled because there were no easy access points, and there were no previous irrigation sources located there. It’s really weird, or just disingenuous, that you’re trying to conflate these two completely separate things.
And yet, there it is: an ugly, brown, dead central valley.
You will never, ever win this one. Sit down. And stop trying to make your point with the August fire and not the dozens and dozens before then. The area around Hansen road is still charred.
I don’t need to win anything with you. As long as other readers come along and understand that you’re full of shit regarding the overall state of Maui, or at the very least extremely confused about the facts here, that’s enough. You’re probably one of those who think the Olinda and Kula fires were started by a laser, and there’s absolutely no talking sense into those people.
edit: You’re the one who’s complaining about controlled vs uncontrolled fires related to irrigation or lack thereof. The only “uncontrolled” ones were in August, all the other previous ones since the cane has been gone were handled quickly, because again, easy access. So apparently your definition of uncontrolled is loose at best. You act like there were no random fires when the cane was still growing, which is absolutely false. Plenty of unscheduled burns by vandals in the fields, which weren’t easy for the fire dept to put out.
Got sad news for you, brah… the cane fields are never coming back. Doesn’t matter how much you whine about it, and all the people enjoying cleaner air unpolluted by burning pvc don’t care that you’re upset about it. Get over it and get on with your life. Or don’t. It doesn’t really matter. What you want will never happen.
OMG!!! I have looked for that song for so long!! When I was a teen someone played that on a drama club bus and no one has ever believed me that the song exists!
Not trying to be weird or anything, but the smell of manure is one of the most important parts of the rural experience. But try explaining that to real estate parasites…
Dumping massive amounts of pig manure on already over fertilized fields (as very common) to cheaply get rid of it, is just pollution and should not be tolerated.
Did you know that Alfred Krupp, one of the guys responsible for the arms race that led to World War 1, absolutely loved the smell of horse manure? He loved it to a point where he built a house designed so he could always smell it. Wild stuff.
I vaguely remember something about him building a horse barn with a well furnished bedroom in what would normally be the hay loft, with a big hole in the floor for the smellz to waft through.
There are farms that remind me that it is spring by the smell of pig manure being spread on them. That is the week when you drive with your windows rolled up and the vent set to recycle. lol
The house prices in my area dropped so hard when my neighbor had to close his pig farm after the ammonia killed his lungs, I mean come on, can’t you keep doing it with your oxygen bottle?
Thank god the cow farm on the other side is still working, without the screaming of them being tied their whole life in their own shit it would have gone all down the drain.
There was a rural town where I grew up that had roots in ranching. Everyone had horse corrals. It got big enough to incorporate into a city and started to grow quickly, but the new incoming residents started complaining about the horse manure smell.
So the city council passed a law that says basically the manure was here before you were. Get over it.
Ahh the old Let me move to country side and get upset by local things so I change everything. Then later move again when it was just like where I started.
Don’t worry, people do that in cities too. People move into “trendy” neighborhoods, ruin them by campaigning to change them, and then move to the next trendy place.
Self entitlement and stupidity have no bounds.
People should be forbidden from complaining about things that predated them moving into an area.
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