Locking myself out of the Ghost achievement in Dishonored, I might have made the game more enjoyable to me by accident

I’ve played the game around seven years ago for the first time on my laptop and enjoyed my time a lot. Back when I got my first PS4 around a year later (2017ish), I got the game on there too but ended up not playing the game at all because I couldn’t get used to the controller gameplay.

A couple of days ago, I started the game up again for lack of other games to play right now and have, as many probably, started a low-chaos ghost run. For the uninitiated, “ghost” means that you go through the entire game without being detected once. To achieve this, you’re either cracked at the game and know what you’re doing, or you resort to save scumming, which I also did.

However, I seem to have fucked up in the last mission (saving Emily, getting rid of the two Pendleton twins) and have been detected somewhere without noticing it and loading a previous save. When I ended the mission and was shown the statistics, I contemplated starting the mission over because I didn’t ghost through to mission but opted not to.

While I do feel kinda bummed about “messing up” the achievement, I feel like this’ll prove to be beneficial for my overall experience with the game since I won’t have to keep reloading the same passages for 15 times just to get some arbitrary achievement that doesn’t even bear any meaning.

I’ll still go for a low-chaos run (not killing anyone), but I won’t be bothered to keep reloading saves now: If I’m detected, I run away and hide and take the game on naturally.

How have your experiences with the game been? Which playstyle do you prefer? What games did you ruin for yourself in hindsight because of save scumming?

HipsterTenZero,
@HipsterTenZero@dormi.zone avatar

You can never kill the mind goblins, but you can put them to sleep. Dishonored is such a goblin heavy game that yeah, just giving up and not playing by its rules makes it waaay better. Apparently, you can even kill a few dudes and get the low chaos ending just fine?

Another game that kinda gets me in the same way is Celeste - those strawberries, aargh

v4ld1z,
@v4ld1z@lemmy.zip avatar

Yea, I don’t know the threshold, but I think you can at least kill all of the assassination targets and still get the low-chaos ending.

Dude, the fucking strawberries :D Probably one of the reasons I put the game down

Crozekiel,

I had a ton of fun with dishonored but my favorite playatyle was basically complete idiot good guy. Self imposed rules of no killing and unable to sneak. Basically a lot of just trying to run away from an entire building full of alerted guards. It was super hard, I never finished that play through, but it was a lot of stupid fun.

v4ld1z,
@v4ld1z@lemmy.zip avatar

In Dishonored 2, there’s a corrupted bone charm called “Clumsy Assassin”. That’s what I’m imagining, accompanied by the Scooby Dooh theme or the Benny Hill theme lol

NegativeLookBehind,
NegativeLookBehind avatar

This is one of my favorite games. I prefer to decimate every enemy I can find and allow others to find the corpses.

Vampiric_Luma,

I like to save scum. Part of redoing a section over and over again is to overcome a difficult trial. The feeling of success is the reward for me, but we also become better for it.

I used to prefer low-chaos runs but I like to blast through like Rambo these days since that’s where the challenge is.

I’m struggling to imagine any time I’ve ruined am experience with save-scumming other than the present popular game Lethal Company. The fun is experiencing the cycle with others and I’m not beholden to my ships accessories. One of my crew had me do it and I’ll never do it again.

Ultimately: do what you want to do and makes you happy and comfortable :)

roguetrick,

To give a different perspective: I save scummed the hell out of the original Deus Ex to not get detected and do one hit nonlethal takedowns just to get Paul's approval and Ana's distain. Was fun.

Kolanaki,
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

One of my first times through the original Deus Ex, I fucked up sneaking past one of those ED-209 looking robots and had my legs obliterated. I ended up beating the rest of the game without legs thinking I could just replace them with cybernetics at some point.

DudeImMacGyver,

I usually just play the game without worrying much about achievements

redcalcium,

When I’m long dead, my kid probably won’t browse my steam/playstation profile and marvel at my numerous achievements. “Wow, dad is really good at this Hitler Waifu game. So many achievement. I’m proud of him” said no kid ever.

sugar_in_your_tea,

IDK, my kids actually like looking through my achievements. I try to tell them they’re not important, but they’re fascinated somehow.

But once they get older, they’ll really understand that it doesn’t matter.

prole,

Yeah. Maybe it’s because I’ve been playing video games for 30+ years now, but I’m always kind of vexed by the people who seem to have a compulsive need to get every achievement in every game they play. I just don’t get it. I don’t even look at achievements until Steam tells me I got one, and I want to see what it was.

ArbitraryValue, (edited )

I’ve ruined games for myself by starting over repeatedly to get some achievement I don’t even enjoy trying to get, not having fun, and never finishing the game. (I do the same thing with higher difficulties.)

I wish there was an option to just disable all achievements in games - it would help me enjoy games a lot more. You’re probably thinking “If he doesn’t like achievements, why doesn’t he just ignore them?” but I can’t.

The worst is actually a sandbox game I play that tracks achievements per-save. (It’ll tell you that you failed the achievement in that save even if you already got it in a different one.) There’s an achievement that requires doing something boring for several hours as soon as you start the game, or otherwise you can’t get it on that save. So of course I feel compelled to do that boring thing every single time I want to start a new save.

HubertManne,
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I completely understand where you come from. Sometimes I just can't ignore options because they are there.

conciselyverbose,

I ignore them completely, have never once targeted one, and disable them from popping up where I can.

I still hate them existing. Knowing they're there annoys me.

I_Has_A_Hat,

I wish there was an option to just disable all achievements

Piracy

DoucheBagMcSwag,

cries in Clean Hands

v4ld1z,
@v4ld1z@lemmy.zip avatar

Not killing people seems rather easy to me compared to ghost though, right? As long as you have tranq bolts and can hide as soon as you’re detected, you can just choke people out if necessary

DoucheBagMcSwag,

No… AND Ghost

deadite9, (edited )
@deadite9@lemmy.world avatar

I absolutely love playing stealth in games that let me take that option. My preferred route in the Dishonored series is low chaos/ghost because of how challenging it can be, but I always reload saves to get though them because I like to experiment to see what works (and what doesn’t), and also because I honestly just suck at getting things to go the way I want them to sometimes.

However, even though low chaos is apparently canon, I would like to point out that a stealth high chaos run where you murder every last guard/thug/weeper from the shadows can be sublime. Shadow Kill helps immensely here because when they dissolve into ash there are no bodies to hide (though half of the fun for me is finding out-of-the-way hiding places for everyone I’ve choked out and/or murdered).

And while it doesn’t have nearly as much replayability because it ditches the chaos system entirely, Death Of The Outsider is loads of fun simply because you can literally do whatever you want, without having to worry so much about the consequences.

I’m also of those weird people who really likes the second game, too… maybe even more than the original, though they’re both basically equal to me. Really don’t understand the hate that one gets from some fans.

v4ld1z,
@v4ld1z@lemmy.zip avatar

Stealth + high chaos does sound fun, you’re right. I might just try that after this run.

Yo what? I haven’t played Death of the Outsider yet, but I just assumed that the chaos system would be present again. So there’s just basically no consequences for your actions and the story just always ends the same way or are there other decisions to be made?

SaintWacko,

I used to love playing this way in Splinter Cell: Double Agent. My friend and I would play on the mode where it you’re detected, you fail the mission

Blxter,
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I played through Dishonored for the first time this year and completed all the achievements but for the “Ghost” achievement I actually followed a speed run guide that was actually really crazy to see what is possible to do and then do it with save scumming first time I would then try to do it without save scumming sometimes just to see actually managed to do it for some missions was really fun.

v4ld1z,
@v4ld1z@lemmy.zip avatar

Have you managed to ghost through it without save scumming? How difficult was it following the speed run guide?

Blxter,
@Blxter@lemmy.zip avatar

I was close once but the last couple missions I always messed up. The speed run guide was surprisingly easy to follow and memorize myself after messing up say 4 times I could run the whole mission without any guidance.

somePotato, (edited )

I used to get myself into traps like that a lot, “I need to get that impossible achievement”, “I need to play only at the highest difficulty”, “I need to get 200% completion”.

At the end of the day video games are just toys, play them as you like and if you’re not enjoying it just do something else instead. After I realized that games are fun again.

This ghost achievement in particular is a very hard challenge run, the kind of thing you go for after you finished the game and want more with an extra twist, trying to force it on your first time playing is guaranteed to be frustrating

v4ld1z,
@v4ld1z@lemmy.zip avatar

I feel you. I do get a “sense of pride and accomplishment™” when I go for certain achievements, maybe even platinums, but there are usually some stretches of gameplay that aren’t too much fun. I imagine I’d have finished a lot more games I played if it weren’t for achievements.

I hear that. This isn’t really my first run, but it might as well be since it was so long ago that I played the game. Maybe I’ll try Ghost after I’m done with this one. Ghost + high chaos sounds fun.

platypode,
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I really appreciate how FromSoft does achievements–theirs are the only games I ever really go for the 100%, since that usually entails simply playing and mastering all the content that they have prepared. Achievements like “beat the whole game under x arbitrary condition” or “get this super specific scenario to happen” just aren’t that interesting to me, but “beat every boss, collect every important item, visit every area” I find very satisfying.

Jakeroxs,

I definitely had a spreadsheet for when I 100%'d ds1

v4ld1z,
@v4ld1z@lemmy.zip avatar

Actually, these “collect x item” or “x amount of y item” do kinda piss me off in FromSoft games. I went for a platinum for both Sekiro and Bloodborne and in Sekiro’s case, you had to grind out XP to get all the skill upgrades I think. It took me like 2h of just pure grinding some path when Ashina castle was burning even though I was on NG+2 or something. It was awesome to experience all of the content as in beating all the major bosses, seeing all the endings and stuff but that achievement pissed me off a little.

In Bloodborne, most of the achievements were fine iirc. Getting all of the runes (?) and weapons was a little annoying though since some of these were a little harder to get and require my reading their wiki entries.

Everto,

I had a similar experience with Dishonored. I got ghost on a few missions since low chaos is more akin to my natural play style, but found it to be more enjoyable to set my own “rules” for my playthrough. It’s also a game that’s worth a second playthrough just to experience the opposite side of the spectrum. Super fun game any direction you choose, but you’ll miss a lot of cool aspects by limiting yourself to one extreme or the other.

v4ld1z,
@v4ld1z@lemmy.zip avatar

For sure! In my very first playthrough, I wasn’t really paying attention to what I’m doing in the missions, so I ended up killing a lot of people without really thinking about it. In the final mission, I just had to restart the game because Samuel got mad and that got to me. I think I might have actually done a clean ghost run then.

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