Ironically, the second map is pretty wrong. You’re more likely to be able to drink the tap water in the Balkans for example than in some Western countries.
Imagine thinking US tapwater (where some places are known to have a dizzying amount of contaminants) is more drinkable than Brazilian tapwater, which is actually clean.
Well, Rio is kind if a hellhole. They suffer from excessive unregulated housing, with too many people living in favelas and accessing utilities from illegal taps – uncontrollable circumstances –, plus their political class is actual scum.
I don’t think we’re un-friendly, I think Russia’s just in a bad place right now and need to take a hard look at themselves and maybe consider whether their recent behaviour matches their values.
US tap watered is monitored closely and the results for basically every locality are available online. In the few places where you can’t drink it, they make a really big deal about letting you know.
Unfortunately that would be the impression you’d get from the news. In reality, tap water is so safe in almost all of the US- that when its not in a city than it is major news.
Ripper: Water, that’s what I’m getting at, water. Mandrake, water is the source of all life. Seven-tenths of this Earth’s surface is water. Why, do you realize that 70 percent of you is water?
Mandrake: Good Lord!
Ripper: And as human beings, you and I need fresh, pure water to replenish our precious bodily fluids.
Mandrake: Yes. (he begins to chuckle nervously)
Ripper: Are you beginning to understand?
Mandrake: Yes. (more laughter)
Ripper: Mandrake. Mandrake, have you never wondered why I drink only distilled water, or rainwater, and only pure-grain alcohol?
Mandrake: Well, it did occur to me, Jack, yes.
Ripper: Have you ever heard of a thing called fluoridation. Fluoridation of water?
Mandrake: Uh? Yes, I-I have heard of that, Jack, yes. Yes.
Ripper: Well, do you know what it is?
Mandrake: No, no I don’t know what it is, no.
Ripper: Do you realize that fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous Communist plot we have ever had to face?
This logic astounds me. It’s possible to be against both, and still recognize that Russia acting in a way that is constantly and actively pursuing war.
Russian leadership (fascists) is acting in a way that is constantly and actively pursuing war*
If Russia is not a democracy, then people cannot be held responsible for the action of their government. No more then in Dresden or Hiroshima. Especially when Westerners (us, who supposedly, them, pick our leaders) are not held responsible for the atrocities committed by their government. Where are the sanctions for the Iraqi war?
Honestly, it looks like they are preparing the average joe’s mind for carpet bombing. Jingoism on all side.
If Russia is not a democracy, then people cannot be held responsible for the action of their government
Russia is just as much a democracy as the US. In the US, the electoral college picks the leaders, not the voting body. The electoral college has no legal obligation to follow the popular vote.
And besides that, Russia really wants to be able to say it’s a democracy. Ask the government there, they will tell you they’re a democracy. Just like the US.
Trying to insinuate that the American people are responsible for the actions of their government but the Russian people are not is pretty close to Russia apologist. Either the average Russian is responsible for changing their country or the average American is not. You don’t get both.
Where are the Iraq War sanctions?
Again, it’s possible to say that what the US did was wrong and still understand that what Russia is doing is also wrong. Bringing the “whatabout” argument at this point is deliberate deflection if you understand that you’re arguing with someone who agrees with you.
Either the average Russian is responsible for changing their country or the average American is not. You don’t get both.
Yes, exactly, none of them are.
Again, it’s possible to say that what the US did was wrong and still understand that what Russia is doing is also wrong.
What the Russian government is doing is wrong, absolutely. It’s not a reason to fall into jingoism and stupid stereotypes.
Bringing the “whatabout” argument at this point is deliberate deflection if you understand that you’re arguing with someone who agrees with you.
But the map is literally placing France and the US in “the good guys”. Whataboutism is when you bring out things out of the blue that aren’t being disgusted already.
The US pulled out of its wars. They may not be the good guy on the world stage in a cumulative sense, but their leaders pulled out of their wars and aren’t picking any fights. Despite what you might think, wars aren’t popular in the US either.
Russia is actively being the bad guy right now.
Whataboutism is when you bring out things out of the blue that aren’t being disgusted already.
Nobody said anything about Iraq. You sort of brought that up out of nowhere, as if to say what about when it was different?
In any case, if all of this is about a meme labeling some countries good and some countries bad, a meme that isn’t even trying to be accurate on either front, maybe you should ask yourself why you care so much that you’re starting fires about how the west is just as bad?
You don’t think the average person on lemmy hears that from the lurking tankies every single day? You’re pretty much preaching to the choir here.
I don’t disagree with you that the US is not a good guy on the world stage. However, the Israel-Palestine war is politically complex and tensions have been mounting for decades. Israel hold the cards for ending that, not the US.
The fact that US taxpayers are funding Israel is bad. But saying that compares to Russia actively invading Ukraine for 2+ years is just dishonest. Russia can stop whenever they want and Putin has stated he believes that land to be his right.
In this situation, Russia is more like Israel. Not the US.
Then we agree. Russia and Israel are bad and the west is bad for supporting the later while buying oil from the Saudi and their hamas-supporting muslims brotherhood…
That comparing the US in this issue directly to Israel and Russia is dishonest, as Russia and Israel are direct aggressors with boots on the ground and the power to stop their respective wars.
This time. It doesn’t allow you to make fascist meme about how the poorer side of the world is backward and uneducated (which is the subtext of the meme).
Honestly, it’s not wrong to say that Russia considers most of the developed world unfriendly. Which is the actual text of this meme, however misinformed the tap water part might be.
Which implies that being “developed” (code for rich) makes you morally right. Which is not the case, as illustrated by the wonderful story of the Iraqi, afghan, Malian wars among other. Where are the sanction for those?
This is basically mocking the poors for the sake of jingoism.
“Developed” doesn’t have to mean “morally right” for the statement “Russia considers most of the developed world unfriendly” to be true.
Yeah, we get it. You are pissing yourself to make sure everyone knows that the west is bad too. Pretty much anyone with a username remotely like yours hammers that on this platform constantly.
Sometimes a meme is just a meme, my friend.
Anyway, I’m not willing to continue this argument every night during the daylight hours of the country you’re obviously in and simping for, so I’m going to go.
Ah yes, I’m a russian shill. Long live putin and mao and pol pot or something /s
Seriously though, i’m just a guy. The governement of russia is ofc doing shitty thing. It just sucks to shit on people who have nothing to do with politics or whatever.
Very well said. I and many others have pointed out to both this person, and many others like them- the flaws in their argument. They just side-step it with more irrelevant rhetoric, and continue shitting all over the discussion.
At this point, I no longer believe that even they believe the nonsense. They’re clearly right-wing shills. It’s all there, the willful ignorance, the blatant disregard of factual evidence….
Is there any other way to describe a right-wing troll? I know people on the far-left. They’re not this obtuse.
Is the tap water in Spain alright? When I was in Tenerife recently, I bought bottled water even though I never ever buy it at home. They also had quite a lot of (non carbonated, non flavored) bottled water in the stores compared to my country.
I come from a country with very good tap water so is it possible that the water is technically fine but not great or something you would like to drink?
Why do you assume mainland tap water and tap water on a tiny island far out in the ocean have the same quality? In spain mainland tap water is generally considered drinkable.
I’m sorry, re-reading my comment it comes across very harsh. I didn’t mean that. The government certainly regulates the requirements for water to be considered drinkable. However it is probably not feasible to make all tap water on an island drinkable. Most of the water running through the tap is not consumed (like shower, laundry, flushing, etc.) so it might be smarter to make the water clean enough for those jobs and then advise to consume only bottled water.
Well, Tenerife is Spain, but it’s 1700km away, so it’s not the best example.
Still, it depends on where in Spain we talk about, you can see in This map . It’s not that the water is bad, it’s that in many places it has minerals like calcium that gives them undesired taste, but its perfectly safe. I live in one of those black places and most people buy bottled water. I use a Britta.
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