Governments can and should be criticized without bigotry towards the governed populace. We should always take the side of the civilians, as we are civilians too.
It is in fact these governments producing massive amounts of propaganda to demonize “the other side.” What might they have to gain from global culture wars such as this?
This “global culture war” they’re talking about isn’t about trans people. I’m assuming you mean the culture war in the US. What they meant was the east VS west culture war.
Everyone lives in a culture that’s somewhat manipulated by the government they’re under. I don’t think now is the time to discuss rationalist economics.
Governments can and should be criticized without bigotry towards the governed populace.
In theory, sure.
In practice, there is some tacit understanding that a plurality of residents in a nation will hold views of the popular government.
The end run around this is to assert everyone in Bad Foreign Country are brainwashed or broken. But then you end up with proud outspoken nationalists vocalizing support. So we go to the Wumao/Bot narrative, where everyone speaking positively is paid off or fake.
And then finally you get to an actual conflict of civilizations - an Israeli / Russian invasion that is popular within the invading country - and that’s when you have to square the circle.
When hundreds of thousands of people are killing/dying to perpetrait a national agenda, it can’t just be “Country Bad / People In Gray Area”.
At some point, you have to see trees as part of the forest. It can’t just be a flag that you’re upset by.
I’m on ml, it’s actually quite nice shitposting and linux memes. I think this is mostly true for the insufferable assholes at hexbear. Just block them.
Sadly blocking them doesn’t prevent them from harassing other people. Their behaviour is awful and it likely drives away new users. They can still vote and reply to your comments, you just can’t see it yourself.
Is the hypocrisy being portrayed here that they should agree criticism of Israel is anti-semitic? Or they should disagree criticism of China is anti-Chinese?
People are quick to tie the name of a country or nationality directly with the culture/peoples that said name was derived from (or vice versa). Unfortunately to many people, “Chinese” as a nationality is the same as “Chinese” as an ethnicity/culture/language (rather, a group of ethnicities/cultures/languages since “Chinese” is used for many groups, though it’s mostly Han and relatively closely related groups), and their logic is criticizing or denouncing China is an attack on Chinese nationals, which is equivalent to attacking ethnic Chinese.
Sometimes their logic is – actions against China are meant as a way to undermine Chinese influence for the purpose of committing hate crimes or genocide against Chinese (China is totally the protector of ethnic Chinese in this case). Basically similar to Russian bots’ favorite excuse but rebranded.
With Israel it’s a lot easier for them to separate “Israeli” (the nationality) from “Jewish” (the ethnicity & religion) because (in English) they’re completely different words, so it’s a lot easier for them to tell “Israeli ≠ Jewish”, as opposed to their head exploding when they think “Chinese ≠ Chinese”. It’s easy for the uninformed and malinformed (and those who benefit from such a viewpoint) to rationalize the sentence “attacks against Chinese are discriminatory against Chinese” but less so of “attacks against Israeli are discriminatory against Jewish”, even though in both the first term is a nation or nationality and the second term is for a variety of ethnic groups that isn’t necessarily tied to the nation and describes many peoples who have no connection to the nationality.
In Chinese you may call someone of Chinese descent huaren, but you generally use zhongguoren for both Chinese nationality and ethnicity (with zhongguo being “China”, essentially “China people”), while Israeli is yiselie and Jewish is youtai with no chance to conflate the two. The Chinese bots get confused by the same language issue too.
Calling it logic is insincere. They’re just shuffling cards.
Zionists also make the problem clearer by denouncing assumptions about Jews supporting Israel… when it suits them. Anyone suggesting American Jews have some automatic loyalty to Israel is being prejudiced at best and outright bigoted at worst. You can watch people insist on this, immediately after treating criticism of the Israeli government as a personal attack. The contradiction is so much worse than hypocrisy. People in this mode do not care what is true. They reject the concept. It’s reality as a team sport.
They are performing loyalty in a way that resembles argument.
Recognizing this in action changes how the conversation can go. You can keep making sincere efforts they’ll ignore as motivated plausible nonsense… like they’re doing. Or you can explain to them that it’s what they’re doing, and tell them, possibly for the first time, there are other options. You can tell them some folks mean things when they say words. This is genuinely news to people.
The clearest example might be conservatives scoffing at condemnation of their own hypocrisy… because they think us reminding them of their own arguments, is us adopting their arguments. I’ve had people express, in shockingly plain English, that they don’t know the difference. And why would they? It’s not like they believed it, when they said it.
Reply to an Inquiry of the Jewish News Agency in the United States
In answer to your inquiry :
National and racial chauvinism is a vestige of the misanthropic customs characteristic of the period of cannibalism. Anti-semitism, as an extreme form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige of cannibalism.
Anti-semitism is of advantage to the exploiters as a lightning conductor that deflects the blows aimed by the working people at capitalism. Anti-semitism is dangerous for the working people as being a false path that leads them off the right road and lands them in the jungle. Hence Communists, as consistent internationalists, cannot but be irreconcilable, sworn enemies of anti-semitism.
In the U.S.S.R. anti-semitism is punishable with the utmost severity of the law as a phenomenon deeply hostile to the Soviet system. Under U.S.S.R. law active anti-semites are liable to the death penalty.
They absolutely are. Don’t forget tankies have never been ideologically consistent. They’ll espouse whatever they need at the moment to further Putin and the anti-west interests.
There is no singular definition of tankie, it’s used to mean authoritative leftist but it’s meaning is different to different people, it only really serves to limit discourse.
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