tocopherol

@tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com

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tocopherol,

Which is why hex voted against defederation ahah, hex and dbzer0 users are largely allies from what I’ve seen so it’s kind of funny the admin is banned.

tocopherol, (edited )

Funny, in this ‘drama’ hex voted against defederation and voiced support for dbzer0 users. The bans from hex admins seemed reasonable if you look at the event history.

tocopherol,

I swear 90% of the people deriding hexbear were offended by one post and never went back or saw a post that was entirely full of sarcastic comments and thought it was unironic. I’m not even ML, I call myself an anarchist and argue about all kinds of shit on hexbear and I have found it to be a very caring community, and actually doesn’t tolerate transphobia or imperialist apologia unlike most online spaces.

tocopherol,

What hate comments are you talking about? I legit don’t know what you are talking about and I post there almost exclusively. You say ‘not us’ but what is this post full of attempted shame on hexbear then? Have you seen the hex thread about defederating? The hex users share kindness for dbzer0 users, the reasons for the banning seemed pretty reasonable and consistent with their policies, and they voted against defederating. From my perspective this whole situation seems a bit immature.

tocopherol,

I don’t know all the details of the drama but I’m sorry you haven’t had better interactions with hexbear. Some users can be problematic like any place, but I have been inspired by the effort, genuine good faith debate and historical analysis that is common in hexbear discussions. I’m anarchist, I first came to the fediverse through this instance and haven’t had any issue with hexbear, and personally would defed from .world before hexbear lol.

Can you clarify how hexbear facilities harassment? I’m not saying you’re wrong but I just don’t know what you mean. They have the_dunk_tank which you could argue does but they changed the rules to discourage dunking on anyone that isn’t a prominent voice, if there is harassment from users I haven’t seen the mods do anything to encourage it.

tocopherol,

I wasn’t saying you were immature, I said the whole situation was. The impetus for the whole thing, deleting of the post, also seemed to make no sense to me at all. But to elevate the situation after that was what I meant was immature really. And from there it just seemed like a schoolyard fight or something, all of it just being a waste of time distracting and taking energy away from everyone involved.

tocopherol,

Have you read the comments? Plenty of people think this is silly evidently, it’s not brigading when a lot of dbz users are hexbear users also

Upvoted comment here:

I don’t care for the drama on Hexbear. And I don’t care for it here either. This post is drama baiting.

That’s a reasonable sentiment to me

tocopherol,

Well yes I think all of us should be the better person, obviously easier said than done! I’m not a fan of ridicule or bullying of course (except against actual nazis maybe) and I feel bad if you or anyone has been hurt by harassment. I am mostly just trying to say this sort of infighting is all just taken too seriously, and arguing about ‘tankies’, which can mean any number of things to different people, doesn’t seem helpful to anyone in my view.

For what it’s worth, like another comment said I do really appreciate the work you and others have done to make this instance possible! I don’t have any resentment for anyone in this situation and I hope hexers and us here can all come together better in the future, we have more alike than in difference.

tocopherol,

I mean I’m trying but I could always be more woke probably

tocopherol,

Adjacently related, that sort of thing always makes me think of Black Cop by KRS-One

tocopherol,

I could picture a pig shooting the ceiling like some kind of bank robber to intimidate people

tocopherol,

Is it advertised with plastic in it or just an abrasive? I have a scrub that contains walnut shell to exfoliate the skin

tocopherol,

They said the acronym isn’t pigs so ACAB doesn’t dehumanize, a bastard is a type of human

tocopherol,

Which chants or rhetoric by protesters have advocated violence?

tocopherol,

I almost replied with that lol, I wanted to see if they had a genuine example but I’m sure they don’t.

tocopherol,

I see that more and more in the US, people saying things like “what can we do to help them, most homeless people want to live that way” like wtf?

tocopherol,

It’s funny how people that casually see hexbear always say this but there is critique about things China does there all the time, most posts are jokes so outsiders might misinterpret it. Hexbear doesn’t really stan anything as a unit except the end of Western imperialism.

tocopherol,

There is no singular definition of tankie, it’s used to mean authoritative leftist but it’s meaning is different to different people, it only really serves to limit discourse.

tocopherol,

There should be some kind of punishment for knowingly arresting people you can’t charge with a crime. This has happened at numerous protests for years, dozens of people arrested, released without a single charge.

Isn’t false imprisonment or abduction a crime? The police use this as a disruption tactic, they don’t care about the likelihood of actual charges.

tocopherol,

True that. There have been successful lawsuits for obstruction of first amendment rights for similar actions but I’m sure most people wouldn’t go through the trouble of that, or have the means to.

I could be misremembering the details, but I read about a case of a cop wrongfully arresting a Black Panther member in the 60s or 70s, his friend shot the cop, and his charges were dropped because it was determined to be self-defense. I think the cop was plain-clothes which would have made a difference I’m sure, but I can’t imagine that happening today in any US court.

I have noticed when I’ve seen protests with armed groups involved, even just a handful of John Brown Gun Club members for example, the police are much less willing to mass arrest or escalate, for obvious reason. Though I think the student protests in this instance are going for optics of peace and non-violence so they probably don’t want that.

tocopherol,

Thats what I’m confused about, if they have staff to run it all the time, why would they schedule people like this except to make their lives more miserable? I do know bosses love that though.

Edit: Someone pointed out people don’t want to work only the swing shift or night, so they schedule like this to keep full crews, I guess that makes sense but it still sucks

tocopherol,

Many police department don’t report the deaths of people due to their actions or in their custody to any sort of national database as well, so estimates are likely undercounting. Corruption is rampant in departments as well, there have been cases of people dying and being buried by police without informing the family or anyone else.

So it’s likely much worse than we realize. Many murders are unsolved, there are many missing people cases also unsolved. In 2020, there were dozens of people reported missing that were involved in protests that were never found.

tocopherol,

Yeah, duh they aren’t snipers, they are police marksmen with high-powered scoped rifles, totally different.

Hamas official says group would lay down its arms if an independent Palestinian state is established (apnews.com)

A top Hamas political official told The Associated Press the Islamic militant group is willing to agree to a truce of five years or more with Israel and that it would lay down its weapons and convert into a political party if an independent Palestinian state is established along pre-1967 borders.

tocopherol,

You can look through the history of statements by the average Israeli politicians, military officials and pundits to get a sense of their goal, it can be deduced by their actions but they been more or less open about it for years. The political history of and statements by the Israeli minister of national security Itamar Ben-Gvir is a good example of the general zeitgeist of the political bloc in power in Israel.

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