Nougat,

He has also hosted fundraisers for a controversial nonprofit group that financially supports Jan. 6 defendants, and campaign finance records show that his political action committee donated $10,000 to the group.

In the days immediately after the Capitol riot, when he was still president, Trump "floated the idea" of a blanket pardon for everyone involved in Jan. 6, ...

... aid or comfort ...

Chainweasel,

There were 14 days after the insurrection that he could have used to pardon them and he chose to use that time to pack up classified documents instead. That’s the talking point I’d start with,
“if he really cared about you then why did he sit on his hands for two weeks instead of signing a blanket pardon?”

PowerCrazy,

I ask the same about Obama when he sat his hands in 2009 instead of codifying roe v wade, or when he compromised on bodily autonomy for his Heritage Foundation insurance handout.

Dkarma,

The president doesn’t make laws wtf u smoking?

NovaPrime,
@NovaPrime@lemmy.ml avatar

Obama is not running. Cheeto is. Try again.

PowerCrazy,

No but the democrats are, and they also sat on their hands.

HopeOfTheGunblade,
HopeOfTheGunblade avatar

The Democrats are inadequately good. The Republicans are actively bad. Lotta daylight between those two states.

NovaPrime,
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Ok, but that’s irrelevant to the topic at hand. It’s whataboutism

PowerCrazy,

The election is coming up right? And Democrats are going to run in that election. So if the “talking point” is that Trump didn’t pardon the rioters when he had the chance, therefore he is lying to them, how is it that the democrats promises they broke re:abortion and the environment when they had the chance, not relevant to the topic at hand?

They are lying to you about what you think you are voting for just like trump.

NovaPrime,
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Let’s try it this way. Based on your comment, I understand your argument structure to be like this (correct me if I’m wrong):

Election is coming up > democrats are running in the election > as part of the election strategy democrats are pushing a “talking point” about trump campaign dangling pardons and legal defense funding for his insurrection conspirators > trump had the chance to pardon them already but chose not to, so therefore he’s lying to them > democratic party promises they broke re: abortion and environment when they had power are the same type of lie and therefore relevant to the discussion about trump campaign dangling pardons and legal defense funding for his insurrection conspirators in the current campaign…because they’re both lies?

Surely you can see how you’ve had to construct an entirely different argument structure around the actual subject of discussion (trump campaign dangling pardons and legal defense funding for his insurrection conspirators) to try and build relevance? But even then it doesnt actually work logically.

Your original response was essentially “but what about Obummer?!” That’s whataboutism. It’s a logical fallacy.

Semi-Hemi-Demigod,
Semi-Hemi-Demigod avatar

You act like logic will work on them. You can’t reason people out of ideas they didn’t reason themselves into.

ashok36,

The answer is that if he tried to pardon them then the senate would have convicted him in his impeachment and the entire white house legal team would have walked out (along with a lot of other white house staff).

jordanlund,
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Offering to pardon people who can’t vote for you because they are convicted felons doesn’t seem like a winning strategery. ;)

BrianTheeBiscuiteer,

… shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.

He’s basically making the case for us.

bigkahuna1986,

But I thought Antifa was behind Jan 6? /s

some_guy,

Antifa and the fbi. You forgot the other part.

JoShmoe,

Aunt Tifa may be able to stir up a lot of shit by herself, but even she isn’t capable of all this.

DreamAccountant,

No it doesn’t. They’re all still traitors, and the courts are reflecting that with hundreds of convictions.

Stop putting the lies of a madman next to the recorded history of the nation as if they had equal weight.

DigitalTraveler42,

Your comment doesn’t match the content, nobody is trying to let him lie in this article, it’s just pointing out that Trump and the GOP are pretending these traitors are “political prisoners” and he’s lying to them about pardons and money, he’s not going to give AF about any of these idiots even if ue takes power, unless of course it suits him somehow, like if they have a million bucks they want to trade for their freedom, like how Lil Wayne, Kodak Black and others paid Trump for pardons in Trump’s first term in office.

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