rush, (edited )

Inform them that privacy is not secrecy.

“Yeah, I know what you do on the toilet, but don’t you still close the door?”

It is important to recognize that Privacy is a human right, and without it we cannot reasonably express ourselves and potentially democracies could be threatened too. With our right to Privacy not always being upheld, we need to take matters into our own hands where reasonable and push back.

Edit: not to mention that anything we do now may become illegal five minutes from now. Nowadays we cannot know.

Squid,

I say that they’re mind set while fine for them will negatively effect society. This often turns into a tangent.

I will also ask them for they’re personal and work emails to log in.

ReverendIrreverence,
@ReverendIrreverence@lemmy.ml avatar

“Here’s a pen and piece of paper. Why don’t you write your username and passwords out for me.”

Dsklnsadog,

I’m a privacy guy too but you can answer your argument with security reasons.

Nyanix,
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We’re entitled to a reasonable amount of privacy, such as locks on our doors and curtains on our windows, why shouldn’t reasonable privacy also apply to our lives online?

rush,

Good one!

echodot,

Great and what if a dictatorship takes over and starts looking through historical data. This is a depressingly high possibility in my country.

But even going less extreme than that, what about just draconian surveillance laws. In my country they’ve already tried to ban VPNs fortunately they’re technologically illiterate so they’ve been massively unsuccessful at that one. But what if they grow a collective brain?

dangblingus,

Even though you’re completely right, there are 2 issues.

Most people are status quo adherents. The threat, even a real threat, of a totalitarian dictatorship take over of their country won’t ever be perceived as credible because in their mind “it’s just not possible” (at least in western nations). Second issue is that most people don’t understand, even in a post-Snowden world, what surveillance is actively being performed on them. A percent of a percent of smart phone users are even aware of what PRISM is, and most people don’t understand how that information can be weaponized against them.

Getting people to care about privacy means educating people on how computers work. But we’re about 40 to 50 years too late for that.

christ0st,

It’s not about secrecy. It’s about privacy.

AdolfSchmitler,

Gotta hit them with the “oh cool so let me see your phone and browsing history then”

possiblylinux127,

We all have something to hide

qjkxbmwvz,

Lot of folks here making the “nothing to hide? Great show me your browsing history” type arguments.

I think this isn’t really arguing in good faith. There’s a big difference between a personal friend knowing something about you, and a faceless algorithm knowing something about you. The two cases are different; it’s fair to argue about how one is better or worse, but they are different.

AI_toothbrush,

I usually ask them to hand me their phone while its unlocked and that really makes some people think. Its funny because at the same time i have so little to hide that the only reason i have a passeord on my phone is because it makes stealing it harder. But im not gonna hand my data some random company just to watch braindead 30 second videos.

ICastFist,
@ICastFist@programming.dev avatar

I guess they think they have nothing to hide, because they don’t know, or don’t care about, how their own information can be used against them.

Because it doesn’t happen in an obviously invasive manner, they don’t think it’s a big deal. It’s harder to associate an abstract concept to actual value.

sqgl,

If you saw a powerful but drunk person hit and run a child would you not report it to the police?

In the old days the powerful person would hire a private investigator to learn how to make your life misery to put you off testifying.

Nowadays they just need your internet history… unless you are fine with assholes getting away with killing kids of course.

KrapKake,

Ask them if they poop with the door open.

z00s,

Do you have curtains on your house? Why, if you have nothing to hide?

tuhriel,

Unfortunately, A not too small amount answered no when I aked them…

z00s,

…I’m now wondering if they change clothes in front of an open window

ICastFist,
@ICastFist@programming.dev avatar

“To block the sunlight”

z00s,

So you open them at night?

phase,
@phase@lemmy.8th.world avatar

Depending on the context, I go full in:

Yes, nothing to hide and you are not the only one. Assurance companies have observed that people who masturbate are healthier. And based on your surf, you don’t. So you have to pay more.

Now what do you want to do? Masturbate to pay less or ?

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