Looks like I won’t be speaking at #pycon this year folks. That's 0/8 talks (accepted / submitted) over the years. You'd think just by the numbers one of them would have made it in. Oh well. Here are my 3 talks that were not accepted. #python
20+ Cutting Edge Python Frameworks, Packages, and Tools You Should Know About
Python's Types: 5 Amazing Ways Python Type Hints Will Supercharge Your Code
HTMX + Flask: Modern Python Web Apps, Hold the JavaScript
@mkennedy Hmmm man that’s too thin. Those are proposals you can use when someone asks you to speak at their conference, but not when you have to compete in a full-on CfP with redacted names. Every proposal of mine that got accepted (I got rejected this year too), was much closer to what Paul linked you to.
@mkennedy Not sure how complex the HTMX active search demo is, but if it's open sourced and you don't mind, I'd be interested in converting the example to FastAPI - it would be a nice addition to the existing examples in FastHX.
@volfpeter@mkennedy
Peter--for what it's worth, I presented a tutorial at last year's PyCon US where we created a FastAPI/htmx application which also featured active search (and other stuff like infinite scroll). This is the segment where I demo it the search:
For all three talks, this is all they bothered to reply.
Organizer: The proposal was rejected.
Given the reception of many of these talks at other conferences that were so well received, I get the feeling they think I have a big enough platform with Talk Python. They don't care to give me more airtime and would rather just say no. It's pretty poor form on their part.
@mkennedy That's really dissapointing. I don't know what is standard reviewer feedback at PyCon but for SciPy and other conferences I help organize we put an emphasis on giving feedback to proposal submitters with the intent on helping them write better/more competitive future proposals.
@mkennedy For those of us who are interested, but lazy enough to not search first, are there public recordings of you giving these talks at the other conferences you mentioned? :)
@mkennedy Will you be at PyCon as a regular participant? If so, I'd love if you get an Open Space spot to discuss more about htmx and Python 🙂 Certainly I would be there to talk with you.
@mkennedy It might have nothing to do with the podcast:
I don't know how PyCon does it, but Europython and PyConDE strip all personal speaker identification from the proposals when they do the community vote on the talks so you just vote on topic.
Thanks for "complaining" about this, I'll put the design of the rejection mail up as a topic for the Europython CfPs this year... because I fear ours aren't much better.
@mborus Thanks @mborus They used to strip info, but because of the talk I proposed last time, it was a podcast event so I think my ID may have leaked. ;) This time around was different and they asked about your background, experience, how it contributes to the talk, etc. Unfortunately, I can’t find the questions or many answers since CFP is over. I’d love to get out to EuroPython sometime. Haven’t been able to make that happen yet. Cheers.
@mkennedy I'm 7 or 8 years removed from the program committee.
Back then, there were so many proposals that it was a logistical issue to try and reply with meaningful feedback for everyone. I think Luke (pg chair at the time) tried to follow up with anyone who asked.
Everything was double-blind too, so it was possible, but really, really, really hard to guess who anyone was.
Last I heard this was still similar to how the process works today.
@mkennedy Short replies are frustrating, but I don't think is malice vs. developers not knowing how to interact with humans who put a ton of time into a process.
Overall, this feels like it should be handled in a better way.
@webology Thanks for the thoughts Jeff. Makes sense. I feel like it’s not double blind any more since there were questions of who you are and what your experience is with speaking as part of the submission. My experience was something like “Gave over 100 week long developer training events (like tutorials) and presented over 20 talks on 4 continents” so I doubt it was that they felt I might not be able to handle the talk.
@mkennedy Do you ever make your proposals publicly available? I have never been on the PyCon committee, but I would be willing to take a look and give an opinion.
I usually get a talk in, though I don’t know how much of that is from being good at writing proposals and how much of it is other factors (choice of topic, track record as a speaker, position in the community, etc).
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