gregeganSF,
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Great article in @QuantaMagazine.

What’s so striking about this to me is that if I hadn’t been told the history of the problem, I’d have assumed that something so structured would have an easy solution, as a sum of 2^n terms, or a recurrence relation.

https://www.quantamagazine.org/ninth-dedekind-number-found-by-two-independent-groups-20230801/

gregeganSF,
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It turns out there is an explicit representation, but the outermost sum is over 2^(2^n) terms.

johncarlosbaez,
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@gregeganSF - here are the 2, 3, 6 and 20 monotone functions of 0, 1, 2, and 3 boolean variables, respectively, as drawn by Tilman Piesk. The functions themselves, ordered by ≤ in the usual way, can themselves be organized into distributive lattices, and that's what we see here!

I hadn't realized that "isotone" meant "monotone", and that these monotone functions correspond to antichains in free boolean lattices (though that's easy to see).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Monotone_Boolean_functions_0,1,2,3.svg

Corax42,
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@johncarlosbaez @gregeganSF For a moment there I thought this was a Kabbalah post.

gregeganSF,
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@johncarlosbaez I’m slowly working my way through one of the d(9) papers:

https://arxiv.org/abs/2304.00895v2

but one cool thing it mentions near the start is that you can count d(n+1) as the number of “intervals” in d(n) as a lattice, as in the image you show here.

For example, you get d(1)=3 by counting the intervals in d(0):

[⊤,⊤], [⊥,⊥], [⊥,⊤]

and d(2)=6 by counting the intervals in d(1):

[⊤,⊤], [⊥,⊥], [⊥,⊤],
[A,⊤], [⊥,A], [A,A]

Jäkel then goes on to define an equivalence relationship on the set of intervals, so you can sum the sizes of those equivalence classes. But I haven’t got much further than that yet ...

irving,
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@gregeganSF Ha, that’s the total number of Boolean functions, so if you allow that many terms you could just check whether each one is monotone.

johncarlosbaez,
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@irving @gregeganSF - so maybe the interesting thing Kisielovich did is give a nice formula for whether a boolean function is monotone or not. (Though I don't know if this true, i.e. whether the terms in his sum run through all the boolean functions and equal 1 if they're monotone, 0 otherwise.)

jcreed,
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@gregeganSF generally for any poset P, and any number m we can ask how many monotone functions there are from P to the numbers [0, ... m-1], call this M(P, m). The dedekind numbers are M(𝟚ⁿ, 2) where 𝟚 is the 2-element poset.

I think (but don't have a proof!) that M(P, m) is always a polynomial in m with rational coefficients. For example, when P is 𝟚², M(P, m) seems to be (1/12)(m⁴ + 4m³ + 5m² + 2m). Plugging in m=2 gives the dedekind number 6.

irving,
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@gregeganSF @QuantaMagazine Though I still don’t really understand why it doesn’t have such a recurrence. And indeed the successful computations work by something like sqrt splitting, and I don’t know why there isn’t a way to carry that further and split more.

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