revk,
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Hmmm.

As a consumer, if I buy a 10000mAh battery pack I would expect it to be able to provide 10Ah, i.e. 1A for 10 hours.

As this is 5V output, that is 50Wh capacity.

It seems, however, this is 37Wh.

So at the rated output of 5V, this would do 1A for 7.4 hours. It is, at the stated output voltage, a 7400mAh battery pack.

I can only assume the internal battery pack is 3.7V (typical LiPo). But that make the headline rating of 10Ah misleading at best.

CyclingJourno,

@revk I'd be quite worried about buying any electronic device from people who can't spell 'micro'

RupertReynolds,
@RupertReynolds@hachyderm.io avatar

@revk Technically, I agree with you.

Practically speaking, they're all at it, and have been for years.

I'm happy when the built-in cell is within 10% of the quoted Ah figure. If the quoted Wh figure is available as output, I'm almost ecstatic.

My no-name (rebadged "Asdatech") gets close on Wh :-)

isleofmandan,
@isleofmandan@mstdn.social avatar

@revk Probably 10000 mibbiAh... 😄

ImpossibleUmbrella,

@revk BigClive over on YouTube has done a lot of videos looking at battery capacity. They almost never match up to their stated capacity. 🙁

russss,
@russss@chaos.social avatar

@revk I wonder if this may be an unintentional result of this EU law.

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A32010R1103

russss,
@russss@chaos.social avatar

@revk at least that one has the Wh rating on it - which is better than most!

revk,
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@russss Indeed, most would be misleading/wrong and not even make it obvious, like this one.

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    @gbraad Which makes no sense as a consumer product.

    10Ah means 1 A for 10 hours, simple as that.

    If it cannot do that it is mis-sold.

    There is no reason for a consumer to know the internal cell voltage of such a device, and have to know this in order to understand the stated headline capacity.

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    @gbraad So require statement of energy (not power), e.g. J or Wh, not Ah. That would be the answer!

    By requiring Ah for the cell, when someone makes cells that are 10V or 20V or 1V, suddenly all your requirements are messed up. If what matters is energy then expect energy units to be started.

    But I am not an aircraft, I am a consumer, and I expect things stated in SI units to be correct. That is not correct. I cannot use 1A for 10h.

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    @gbraad I really dislike the "this has always been this way", and the argument "everyone does it wrong in the same way", as justification for doing things objectively wrong, to be honest.

    jamesholden,
    @jamesholden@mas.to avatar

    @revk They just add up the mAh ratings of the individual cells. 10000mAh is likely to be 5 x 2000mAh cells at a nominal voltage of 3.6/3.7V. Bad maths indeed.

    jamesholden,
    @jamesholden@mas.to avatar

    @revk That said, if they all do the same bad maths, at least consumers can compare even if they don’t have a clue what a mAh is.

    revk,
    @revk@toot.me.uk avatar

    @jamesholden But they cannot compare to "reality".

    10000mAh should be able to do 1A for 10h.

    This does not.

    jamesholden,
    @jamesholden@mas.to avatar

    @revk I agree, but it’s also not just a battery in the same way that a car battery is. Amp-hours is just the wrong unit, especially given that there are portable power banks with built in mains inverters. Watt-hours would be much more appropriate.

    TimWardCam,
    @TimWardCam@c.im avatar

    @revk Plus actually measure it before relying on it? - t'interwebs are full of stories of things like this actually delivering a fraction of what you thought you'd paid for?

    guiltmanager,
    @guiltmanager@gm-cloud.org.uk avatar

    @revk shocked I say, that companies would mislead the consumer!!

    steve,
    @steve@prattle.org.uk avatar

    @revk This has bugged me for years!

    I think the battle is lost, though. Every manufacturer appears to do it.

    revk,
    @revk@toot.me.uk avatar

    @steve Once upon a time, trading standards would have people that would buy shit like this, and test it with a calibrated 1A load and confirm if it does 10 hours or not, and then prosecute someone for mis-selling it. But those days are long gone.

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