davep,

In my quest for non-meat protein, I just went down a rabbit hole about precision fermentation and discovered Quorn was the first biomass fermentation product.

It's not available in France so I carried on looking and looked at tofu, but it's a faff and it's again not easily found locally.

Then I saw the likes of soy and mung beans, which are both relatively high in protein. They seem good for germination with salads (mung beans won't make you fart, not sure about soy). After my brief research I've seen that it's doable for mung beans and also soy. Seems better than making tofu...

But the clincher was seeing that, like cannabis, soy plant flowering is linked to the length of daylight (it tends to start at about 12.8 hours). Having bought 3 grow tents, LED lights and other assorted paraphernalia while very drunk a couple of years ago, I now realise I can grow soy in them. I've already got the seeds and rhizobia, and the outside climate here isn't really suitable for waiting that late for flowering to start. Looks like I could use excess PV solar in spring, summer and autumn to grow a couple of indoor crops. They produce more nitrogen-fixing bacteria up to 8 weeks, so I could use that as the point to induce flowering, subject to experimentation, and get extra nitrogen for other crops as well as extra rhizobia for future production (letting them grow through a normal outdoor cycle isn't optimal for harvesting rhizobia, but I guess I could have extra ones that I harvest early for that).

They also need arbuscular mycorrhizae, but these are much more ancient and European varieties should do the job, unlike the bacteria.

No idea what sort of yield I'd get with two 4x4 feet and one 3x3 tent, but it sounds like a fun project.

Anyone got experience in this sort of hare-brained scheme?

And, yes, I'm meant to be doing DIY today.

anitavondannen,
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@davep If you eat legumes on a regular basis farting will stop. No kidding.

davep,

@anitavondannen Experiment incoming...

michaelgemar,
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@davep It’s fascinating to me that tofu isn’t easily available in France. It’s very common where I am (Toronto), although there is a sizeable population of Asian heritage here.

davep,

@michaelgemar It may be available in the big conurbations, but here in deepest rural France the local supermarkets are pretty poor in variety.

michaelgemar,
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@davep If I may ask, are you looking specifically for a meat substitute, or just a way to get protein via plants? The latter is far easier via combinations of things (like grains and beans), and I’d guess that, like in most cuisines, French “peasant” food might have good examples.

davep,

@michaelgemar Not necessarily as a meat substitute (but I'm looking at reducing my intake). More about growing my own high protein food both for me and, say, chickens. Just realised that the variety I've bought is early harvest, so no need for grow tents 👍

But, yeah, I do need to look at combinations for all essential amino acids.

michaelgemar,
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@davep I’m always impressed at folks who can grow their own food. The best I’ve ever done is some peppers and herbs.

kommaKucken,
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@michaelgemar @davep

What I understood is that Quorn isn’t available in France. 😉

Tofu you could, in theory, make at home.

And I know for sure that there are soy bean varieties that do well in Germany, because farmers grow them where I live. There even was a field right behind my village this year.

I see no reason why these shouldn’t do well in France, too.

davep,

@kommaKucken @michaelgemar I'll check out the variety I bought from Sativa. I bought it a couple of years ago too, and probably checked its suitability. 1000m2 with corn and courges would be way better and less hassle. Thanks for reminding me to take a look.

kommaKucken,
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@davep

a search for soja saatgut bio gives me plenty of results 🙂

davep,

@kommaKucken Thanks.

I just checked the variety I bought, and harvest is August to September, so two years ago me isn't quite as stupid is I thought 🤪

https://www.sativa.bio/en/chiba-green-bo94

davep,

Hmm, average soybean yield is 3t/h, so 0.3kg per m2, giving me 1kg per harvest, which is both optimistic and a bit rubbish.

simonzerafa,

@davep

You would have been better off harvesting what normally lives down the rabbit hole 😉🤷‍♂️

davep,

@simonzerafa Yeah, just checked and I'd be looking at a max of 400g of protein per harvest based on outdoor yields, which isn't going to happen.

simonzerafa,

@davep

Assuming that you eat meat are there any restrictions on catching them in your area?

Historically in the UK they have been up for grabs. Even during WWII they were off ration 🙂🤷‍♂️

davep,

@simonzerafa I'd need a hunting licence, and you get a pretty miserly quota.

simonzerafa,

@davep

Oh well. Off to the supermarket it is then 🫤🤷‍♂️

davep,

@simonzerafa Should things get desperate I have the means to bag some and a couple of chest freezers.

But that would be very short term, as they would probably get virtually wiped out in a year or two in that scenario.

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