Cast the first stone and double down slapping cheeks.
It’s a bit of an experience picking up bits of the Bible and realizing just how deeply Christian conservatives suffer a massive reading compression deficit. Like Otto from A Fish Named Wanda.
I have to wonder what would happen if people read this at Walsh and the rest when they spew their defamation and violate of the 9th (not to bear false witness).
@asbestos I don't much subscribe to that level of condemnation. Church hierarchies can and do and evangelical pastors certainly do but faith is more complicated. This is a great video essay on the topic by an individual becane an atheist, leaving a deeply religious family. It's a 14 min video https://youtu.be/RoMq7UsVHho
@GhostOnTheHalfShell
I base that on the history of human civilization. The very first structures built were a combination of grain storage and church. As far as the video, I'm uninterested in the state of the current debate or which teams are "cringe" or not. Also I did not say "faith" was about control but rather religion. meaning a set of beliefs organized and propagated by a group. I'm fine with faith, up to the point where you start trying to talk people into it.
@asbestos As an archeology and anthro buff, I recommend not making that assertion. Theory like that doesn’t survive the variety on display in sites all over the world. You can get shredded on statements like that.
Unfortunately I think you got caught up with the context of the comment rather than than the broader message
Faith and religion overlap in meaning and in social context. just saying
@GhostOnTheHalfShell IMHO a religion is an organized dogma shared among a group. Faith is a belief without evidence. I am more rooted in the actual results than in the debate itself
@asbestos i could see several ways to dissect the distinction you are making, if only because each is so broad, the definitions have nothing to do with supernatural beings per se. it is so broad it applies to systems of government or rules of the road.
lastly i will note your own tenor is itself dogmatic.
but i don’t much care to pursue it other than make the above remarks.
Every aspect of it is an evil condemned as far back as Moses.
It is something not to be suffered by those who hold the faith. It cannot by society because lying, stealing and killing expressions of universal moral instinct woven into any social mammal or bird. They are instincts that make social creatures possible.
and even for the religiosity that knowledge of good and evil eating that fruit gave..
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