ramsey,
@ramsey@phpc.social avatar

I just noted a hilarious thing about the DMARC system.

I set my DMARC settings to “reject” 100% of unauthenticated emails, and now, I’m receiving all the bounces from my email provider that are rejecting spam emails sent to me that are also purported to be from me!

So, I’m still receiving the spam that spammers intended to send to me (and also appear from me) but got rejected by the system, and the bounce is from an authenticated address.

This is so circular, it makes my head hurt.

shiflett,
@shiflett@mastodon.social avatar

@ramsey It probably goes against your nature to use a third-party service for this, but I recommend it. You still own and operate everything (your domain, your DNS records, etc.), but all the reports get sent to an email address provided by the service, so it can consolidate them for you. (I use Dmarcian, which is free for personal use.)

ramsey,
@ramsey@phpc.social avatar

@shiflett Thanks! I need to set that up. However, this isn’t referring to the report messages. This is a bounce saying the email was rejected by the receiver.

shiflett,
@shiflett@mastodon.social avatar

@ramsey Oh, I see. The spam emails are both from you and to you. I didn’t realize that was a common technique.

tjdraper,
@tjdraper@phpc.social avatar

@ramsey DMARC was a huge mistake and not very well thought through…

Email was a huge mistake and not very well through through…

ramsey,
@ramsey@phpc.social avatar

@tjdraper I still prefer email over chat and forums.

tjdraper,
@tjdraper@phpc.social avatar

@ramsey Oh yeah me too. I was referring more to the mechanisms and naivety in which email was originally conceived, not the format.

ericmann,
@ericmann@tekton.network avatar

@ramsey the number of bogus emails from my personal domain I get back as bounces since I configured dmarc is insane...

ramsey,
@ramsey@phpc.social avatar

@ericmann These messages used to arrive in my junk folder, but since setting it to “reject,” the bounces arrive in my inbox because they’re properly signed. 🤣

ericmann,
@ericmann@tekton.network avatar

@ramsey same. I'm not a celebrity by any means but my name is out there enough I do everything I possibly can to prevent impersonation.

So far this month I've had ~100 of those bounces (almost all from Japan), someone trying to change my direct deposit at work, and using some weird reverse invoice to allege to PayPal I owed them $2500.

It's been a bizarre month.

ramsey,
@ramsey@phpc.social avatar

@ericmann I only changed from “none” to “reject” yesterday, for the first time, so we’ll see what happens this week.

I had a security researcher contact me to let me know that ramsey.dev was missing a DMARC record. I think they contacted me because I have a proper security.txt on my domain. This prompted me to update all my domains to “reject.” I’m not sure why I used “none” for all these years. (1/2)

ramsey,
@ramsey@phpc.social avatar

After thanking them, they asked if I provided compensation for bounties. I wanted to laugh at them, but I thanked them again and explained that I’m not a company with a bounty program. (They were addressing me as “team.”) I’m planning to write back and ask if they have a kofi or venmo where I can throw them $10 to buy a drink. (2/2)

jemjabella,
@jemjabella@mastodon.social avatar

@ramsey these things are sent out in bulk to scraped domain lists. Your generosity is lovely but you'd be encouraging less than ethical behaviour by donating 😬

ramsey,
@ramsey@phpc.social avatar

@jemjabella Oops 😬

ericmann,
@ericmann@tekton.network avatar

@ramsey adding a DMARC tracking tool made all the difference

ramsey,
@ramsey@phpc.social avatar

@ericmann I need to figure out how to set that up. All I get are these zipped up XML files, and I don’t know what to do with them.

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