simon,

I haven't used Twitch outside of iOS in a long time. It's gotten a lot worse. Some pretty stupid keyboard usage and associated hints that make no sense if you have any idea how screen readers actually work, and at least with NVDA and Firefox, activating the chat tab seems to not work. The unlabeled button to open the player--and its subsequent disappearance after a few seconds--is the icing on the cake. You can tell there's lots of development work going into the accessibility and absolutely 0 testing.

ElementalEcho,

@simon yeah I wish that it was eadsier to use. I am sad to hear that it's annoying on ios too

simon,

@ElementalEcho It's pretty good on iOS. Web is where it's bad. I was saying that I haven't been using it outside of iOS, so I hadn't noticed all the regressions.

ElementalEcho,

@simon Oh good. one of my friends is streaming right now, maybe I will go and check it out.

simon,

@ElementalEcho That's actually why I was playing with Twitch. I wanted to do things on the computer and listen at the same time.

x0,
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@simon Oh it's a complete non-starter in firefox accessibility/keyboard wise, you have to use chromium to have anything at all, even if it isn't great. I was able to interact with the chat and could handle that and the player by navigating by landmark.

FluidEscence,

@x0 @simon I've been staying away from chrome ever since I heard about the chrome is bad website or whatever that was. Maybe I should just, not?

x0,
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@FluidEscence @simon I used edge personally

simon,

@x0 @FluidEscence Edge is pretty good. That's what I use when I need a Chromium browser.

FluidEscence,

@x0 @simon I was always annoyed by all the fucking screen reader announcements edge gives you. Loading page! Page loaded! Downloading file! File downloaded! Notification from website! Mew mew mew! Go away.

x0,
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@FluidEscence @simon Well, if you must there's an add-on to suppress that which is in the store.

FluidEscence,

@x0 @simon hmm. Might try it.

FluidEscence,

@x0 @simon This? Microsoft Edge discard announcements; Available version: 0.10; Channel: Stable; Publisher: Gozaltech; Status: Available

x0,
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datajake1999,

@x0 @FluidEscence @simon In my opinion, the fact that we need an addon for this is sad. I don't use Edge myself, but still.

x0,
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@datajake1999 @FluidEscence @simon Personally, I like knowing when a page it done loading or when a download has begun in the background.

simon,

@datajake1999 @x0 @FluidEscence I bet not one person has yelled at dad (disability answer desk) about this. If you feel strongly about this, go for it.

simon,

@FluidEscence @x0 I find them somewhat useful, compared to other browsers which give no feedback whatsoever. But I do wish they'd give us the option of just having navigation sounds instead. Bring back the old IE sound events.

jcsteh,

@x0 Urgh. I wonder why it's broken in Firefox? That suggests they're serving different content to Firefox and Chrome, or at least using non-standard JS. Which I guess I'm not surprised by, given the Chrome monoculture. @simon

jcsteh,

@x0 Still, if you're ever willing to provide full details, steps to repro, etc., it's probably worth getting a web compatibility issue filed so we can at least try to advocate or see if there's anything we can work around. See webcompat.com. @simon

simon,

@jcsteh @x0 What happens if you fudge your user agent?

zersiax,
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@simon wait ...are you sure you have your screen maximized? Player's always open at least on Chromium at least. THings are pretty awful, just haven't seen that particular issue

simon,

@zersiax I had the page zoomed in, apparently. That seems to happen by default for some reason. I zoomed out and now there are player controls and an "expand chat" button. I shouldn't need to do that to use a feature, but at least there's a way, I guess?

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