benkap,
@benkap@kiddush.social avatar

It's pretty bonkers when white Americans lecture Jewish Israelis about living on "stolen land". Ashkenazi Jews have a far more reasonable claim of indigenousness to Israel than white Americans do to America.

serge,
@serge@babka.social avatar

@benkap

Hating Jews for living on their ancient homeland allows Jews to server the same function as scapegoats, absorbing their own sins and thus providing absolution.

emmaaum, (edited )
@emmaaum@zirk.us avatar

@benkap Same with accusing Jews of colonisation without ever stopping to wonder how exactly Arab language and religion got from the Arabian peninsula to the Levant.

But the Holocaust happened in Europe (which ignores N Africa, Iraq etc) ergo Jews are European (read also white & victimisers) for those who can't be bothered to ask relevant questions.

The Euro/Anglo/US-centrism underlying these presumptions is staggering.

pixelartdragon,

@emmaaum @benkap That "the Holocaust happened in Europe" is also a very gross misconception. Axis forces also took much of North Africa, and Jews there weren't spared either. And Iraq was ruled by a pro-Nazi ruler during WWII. We talk about the Farhud as being mostly post-founding of Israel, but those pogroms were happening for years. It was only after Israel was founded that there was a place to escape them.

emmaaum,
@emmaaum@zirk.us avatar

@pixelartdragon Yes, yes. I should figure out a way to rewrite that so it's clearer it's a shallow view of the full situation.

(Have done, it's better. Is it good enough? Arrg on char limits)

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