Watch for it: They'll say not all Gazans are Hamas—the Gazan leadership—but imply all Israelis are the Israeli leadership.
And they will do this even though the Gazan leadership started this war and are amongst the dregs of the earth—hostage takers.
I take no sides. I do not need the tsuris. I am not Israeli and have no Israeli relatives. I stay uninvolved. If you call me an "ilk", you do so either because I am a Jew or because I have pointed out that YOU are an "ilk" and you do not like it.
They will also strongly imply that Gaza taking hostages is a good thing. I saw that done (very slyly) yesterday and I immediately blocked the scuzball.
It will be easy to join this "protest movement", because it is the "in thing". But, unlike in South Africa, this is not really an obvious racial distinction. Despite the impression others have attempted to give, that Jews are like the Afrikaaners and Palestinians the native Africans, Jews and Palestinians are actually closely related peoples of the Levant. And it is thoroughly false that people of the region are not "white". Max Klinger was always a "white" guy from Toledo.
I wish people would get along, but I know from my own family that Jews are just as bigoted as others. And of course, by inference, Palestinians must also be bigoted against Jews. So no one is going to get along.
Israel insists on being led by reprehensible criminals who hate the Diaspora. That right there is enough for me to question the future. I am a Jew but am pretty sure that, were I in trouble, Israel would do nothing for me, except in exchange for becoming its servant.
I want an end to wars. What this protest movement is really seeking is an end to Jews. Deep down, that is the goal. Be truthful, and I think you will admit it.
There is the urge to compensate for one's Jewishness by joining such a movement, and pretending it is only a protest against actions of the Israeli government, but the movement is meant to frighten Jews for being Jews. And you are helping to frighten Jews, WHICH IS A TRANSGRESSION.
@alter_kaker Because, for instance, there will always be the flung accusations that people are being PAID BY AMERICAN JEWS to side with Israel. And that is a classic antisemitic trope. So the STRUCTURE of antisemitism is there, thus by logical fate (see Cassius Keyser's "Mathematical Philosophy") the whole shebang will form eventually.
Mind you, Likudniks are Diaspora-hating Jewish antisemites who do similarly, although they NAME the Jew supposedly doing the paying: George Soros.
@alter_kaker Bernard Sanders is an antisemitic Jew who has slyly accused Hillary Clinton of being paid by Jews to do their bidding, entirely without real evidence. She merely gave an innocuous speech before a group of bankers once.
I look for such clues that others give a pass to. They shouldn't. It's how Jews end up shocked by events, when they give a pass to such things and then suddenly (so it seems to them) events turn sour. It actually wasn't so sudden.
@chemoelectric not just Likudniks, although they're definitely the most brazen about this kind of stuff.
Regarding mathematical fate, that's a little beyond my expertise. However I do have a lot of experience in movement organizing and I can say that what you are describing is:
A serious danger that not enough is being done about
Inaccurate. That is, there are several competing structures in play, and it is not fated that one or the other will emerge as the dominant one.
@alter_kaker Reverse the roles. Then the accusations would be, "How much is AIPAC paying you to attend this protest?"
But there is also this. Yesterday or the day before I got dismissed by a defender of the protests as one "of an ilk", even though I have no attachment to Israel OTHER THAN THAT I AM A JEW. (I am 3/4 Ashkenazi Jew, with DNA evidence, and both matrilineal and patrilineal, so satisfactory to almost all sects.)
@alter_kaker I just thought of something. If you want to change opinions, you have to work on people younger than I am. I turn 63 in July. I'm too old to change unless I decide to on my own.
The Keyser book is available on the Internet Archive, and occasionally from one or another print-on-demand press. I once started digitizing it myself with OCR and redone graphics, many years ago, but am disabled and didn't finish the job.
@alter_kaker And I've gotten the "Your ancestors should have died in the gas chambers" for my having said that I didn't believe it was the case that Goyim would eventually slaughter all Jews who didn't group together for their defense in Israel.
They would have had to ship my ancestors from the U.S. to Europe. The last of my ancestors to live in Europe was my great grandmother Ethel who left Ukraine around the time of the FIRST Russian revolution.
Of course Ashkenazi Jews are really very inbred, so to speak, and the genetic studies show I have "third to fifth" cousins all over the world. (I've met third cousins on my father's side but that's from after migration.)
@alter_kaker Other than my mother's father's parents, who were First Russian Revolution era migrants circa 1905, all my Jewish ancestors were 19th century migrants, mostly as children. Great grandfather Schwartz, born in Romania but raised in Minneapolis (near where, by coincidence, I live now), was so American he became that rare thing, a Jewish professional baseball player. :) What we would call AAA level, now. Also managed the Univ of Alabama baseball team to a biblically disastrous season.
@alter_kaker When I come into the room, my wife has to switch away from whatever documentary she's watching about the War, because I don't want to think about it. I've thought about it enough for a lifetime, already.
@alter_kaker I just realized one can fall back on the role reversal test. Imagine Hamas were Jews and Israel an occupying Palestinian state. The Jews start a war, slaughter and rape civilians, and take civilian hostages.
The way I imagine the protests going, they would call for expulsion of the Jews from the Middle East. For this was the sentiment of even such a stalwart as Helen Thomas, who suggested the Jews go back to exile in Poland.
Role reversal is purposely hypothetical, as a test only.
@alter_kaker Yesterday it was a clock face (I think I will make a new one) and various other things, including sealing some plaster casts of cats, tooted about a few days ago.
@alter_kaker Have you noticed that the "in" thing is that Jesus was not REALLY a Jew?
He was a NON-WHITE Palestinian "Jew". In other words, not related to Ashkenazi Jews. Actually related to the other guys, who are utterly different from Ashkenazi Jews.
They do this trick even though it is the Levant, and the peoples there share lineage with Jews, of which Ashkenazim are a pure line. That butcher Assad comes from the Syrian working classes and is a "white" guy with bright blue eyes.
@alter_kaker Of course they and we actually do not know what Jesus looked like, except that it could not have been out of the ordinary. Any particular descriptions given are symbolic.
@chemoelectric the problem is that when you are implicitly leaving in factors, but not doing anything to rule out different possibilities of what the relevant context actually is, then each person who is looking at your thought experiment is going to see different things decisively influencing the outcome, and different things being negligible, and so come to a different conclusion.
@alter_kaker One cannot argue with observations, however. Look around and see the neat trick, whereby Jesus is declared a "non-white Jewish Palestinian".
(Christianity and Islam not yet existing, of course.)
This is very popular, and people simply sign onto it, despite the obvious fact no one has a clue what Jesus looked like. This description of Jesus was simply made up out of thin air as a work of Jew-othering.
@alter_kaker I am not one to stop with an observation. I will deduce from it, as Sherlock Holmes would.
We can deduce the following from the "Jesus was a non-white Jewish Palestinian" fad:
There is an implicit labeling of Palestinians as non-white (and let us agree Ashkenazi Jews are considered "white", though, e.g., Isaac Mizrahi looks "white").
The ancient inhabitants of Galilee (and presumably Judea) are assumed to have been Palestinians.
@chemoelectric the problem with role reversal tests like this is that there is always more context that's external to the test than you can account for to isolate the factors that you are testing
@alter_kaker (But I am also Irish diaspora. I eventually got blown off by a clan-mate in Ireland when he discovered I wasn't white supremacist enough for him.)
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