themeatbridge,

the only reason everyone’s all screwed up is just that nobody sat down and really micromanaged their child’s education enough.

That’s the line that described every homeschooling advocate I’ve ever met.

PrinceWith999Enemies,

I’m not sure I get the arguments based around better education quality. One of the primary controllable determinants of a child’s educational attainments is parental involvement. Spend a couple of hours with the kid going over their homework and helping them stay a chapter ahead, and I bet the kid would not only be academically successful but also socialized.

Also, a lot of school systems have a fast track learning program for gifted students. You might have to shop around for a school with one if you’re in a low population area, but I think that driving your kid for 45m to a STEM high school probably takes less time than lesson prep and teaching.

njm1314,

And frankly that’s like the best case scenario. Like that myopic view of homeschooling is the best you can have it get with homeschooling. There’s a whole another end of the spectrum it involves straight up Nazis and child abuse and child slavery and just so much depression and sadness.

Apytele,

In nursing school we had to do a Denver II Developmental Screening on a child aged 6-18 months. I wound up assessing the child of one of my parent’s church friends. The couple were young but old enough to be well-educated with decent paying jobs based on the neighborhood. They weren’t fundies by any means, in fact, the father was the primary caregiver. He proudly gave me the child’s health history, including that they had never had a single cold. He attributed their good health to never having been to daycare, which was likely true.

As I progressed through the developmental screening the child was doing great at fine and gross motor, but was lagging significantly in language/social. The dad seemed kind of nervous and I, the first semester nursing student, probably did a shit job of reassuring him. I really saw the gears start turning in his head though as he realized that playing with other children was actually super important developmentally.

Excrubulent,
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Who’s “y’all”? Religious fundamentalists? There are other people who homeschool. I did it for a while and now that my kids are back in school - they wouldn’t be if circumstances allowed - they are way ahead of their peers in terms of understanding the work they’re given.

And “smart enough” implies school is doing something special that children need, but it just isn’t. Kids want to learn. It is a remarkable feat that school is able to make them hate it.

And “cutting your children off from society” implies that school is somehow an integral part of society. It just isn’t. It is the factory-prison model of school that has helped to atomise society and make us dependent on states institutions like school for interpersonal connection. There are other, better ways of doing it.

stabby_cicada,

Other people really can’t post here? Oops. That wasn’t intended. Thanks for letting me know.

Tricky,

K.

njm1314,

You’re saying your kids hate school? They hate learning?

Excrubulent,
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No. Are you trying to understand me, or are you trying to misunderstand me?

njm1314,

Well I guess I’m just confused by your comment then. You said schools make kids not like learning and hate schools. You also said your kids were now back in school. So your kids hate school right? If schools are the cause of it then clearly they must have school now. Cuz otherwise if they don’t maybe your thesis is completely wrong.

Excrubulent,
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My kids love learning, they don’t really love school. Does that clear it up? Or are you, once again, just trying to misunderstand?

njm1314,

So you’re saying they don’t hate school and they don’t hate learning? So schools are not a malignant entity that transforms the minds of students into hating school and learning. That’s what I thought. Thanks for clearing that up.

Excrubulent,
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Okay, so you are definitely trying to misunderstand me. I’m not going to expect you to understand at this point, but if you think the sentiment that “school in general can make children hate the process of learning” means “every school always makes every child hate learning”, then maybe you weren’t very well taught how to reason and understand.

My kids are good at learning and they love it, and they’re able to manage through the school’s bullshit well enough that it’s not breaking their love of learning, and I am active in helping them maintain that love. They are among the relatively lucky.

I thought it was like a cliche that kids hate school, though. Have you… not encountered this concept?

njm1314,

Not really, I encounter a lot of shitty parents though…

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