Nothing "went wrong" with it. It was simply never possible. Reddit controlled whether those 3rd party apps could function, and Reddit wanted those 3rd party apps to cease functioning.
Reddit was the problem anyone couldn’t solve. I’m glad I did witnessed the greateast ending on r/Place this year before decided to delete my Reddit account, and yeah fuck u/spez!
Autocratic platform CEO doing his thing. Nobody ask what went wrong with the peacefull protest in North Korea and why did Kim not step down or change his mind. We got digitally slaughtered and are now in heaven (lemmy).
Ultimately, what went wrong is that most Reddit users were screeching at individual leaves littering their garden, without noticing the tree creating those leaves on first place. They failed to connect the dots between: arbitrary bans, subreddit suspensions, user-on-user harassment, the idiotic way that rules are enforced, the presence of powermods, then Reddit trying to get rid of the powermods, the 3PA being killed… while focusing too much on a braindead clown called Steve Huffman.
It’s all about profits. You can’t enforce any demand if you don’t make Reddit lose money. Blackouts and John Oliver posting only go so far, you need to migrate out of the platform. And if you’re staying in the platform you need to transform it into an advertiser-hostile shithole. But for that you need more coordination than just “HURR DURR WE WRITE FUCK SPEZ IN PLACE LOL LMAO”.
Honest question: how is Lemmy safer against power tripping mods, user-on-user harassment and everything else? Sure it’s a super nice place now but eventually the powertippers etc. will pop up. ?
In Reddit those problems backtrack to the Reddit admins giving no fucks about the users. Why would they? Even if the users are mistreated, network effect still keeps them in Reddit, as they don’t want to lose the content.
Here in Lemmy however, if the admins of an instance are arseholes, negligent, stupid etc., their users will simply migrate to another instance. The users won’t lose access to their content, and they know it.
And in some cases, admins of other instances might even defederate the instance with problematic admins, to protect their own users. (Specially useful when it comes to harassment, as harassers tend to gravitate towards the same places.)
So for example. In Reddit you got the powermods going rogue, being abusive towards the users, and the admins went like, “NOOOOO THEY’RE A PRECIOUS PART OF OUR COMMUNITY”. Until the powermods turned against Reddit itself; then the admins took action. Here, the admins would need to act as soon as the powermods become an issue for the users, not just for themselves.
Additionally: it’s hard to power-trip when you got a public modlog telling people what you did.
It contains the fallout of site-wide issues to some extent. Mods and user-on-user will still be issues. If one federation owner goes on a power trip everyone can just leave that server while continuing to use other Lemmy instances.
Essentially you’d only lose access to some subreddits instead of all of reddit in that situation.
You also would have 3rd party apps that would continue to work. Unlike now where apps like Sync are just down for a few months until they finish development for Lemmy.
But don’t worry, reddit had a run of like 6-10 years there where mods weren’t an issue so we have some time before that all starts.
The John Oliver thing was so dumb. Like, so what? Doesn't matter if you're posting John Oliver as a protest, you're still using the platform on a sub that allows advertisement.
The only thing that could actually go anywhere was making the subs NSFW, since those will actually hurt Reddit's finances, but obviously they forced the subs to revert and most easily gave up.
I think that the John Oliver thing was useful to raise awareness, but people eventually confused a situational strategy with an actual solution.
Besides NSFW-ing, mods could’ve also promoted ad blocker usage, the sort of consumption criticism that advertisers outright despise, scorched the earth (slowly removing content from the subs), and harshly restricting the scope of the subreddit, not just through a “haha John Oliver” but a permanent solution. Or just stop moderating at all, since all those clowns that u/ModCodeOfConduct is putting on the place of older mods are incompetent clowns and powertrippers.
Except a huge number of people only ever use reddit on mobile. There are no ad blockers that can target specific advertisements inside of an app itself. You can do network wide advertisement blocking with things like pihole, but the people using reddit on mobile aren’t the people setting up a network wide domain filter. I only ever used reddit on the desktop through old.reddit.com, but I could see the writing on the wall that they’re going to get rid of that sooner rather than later.
Around 70% of the users are on mobile, more specifically. However my point still stands - even if only 10% of the desktop users pick an ad blocker, this means at least 3% less ad revenue for Reddit Inc., it’s quite a bit.
Another thing that they could be doing is to create a bunch of rules that would displease mobile users the most, but that would not be detected as “targetting mobile users”. Such as banning for emoji usage, or for writing “R/subreddit” instead of “r/subreddit”, this sort of stuff. Aiming at actually destroying the subreddit, so people migrate elsewhere.
But for that they’d need to accept that their Reddit communities are lost, and yet most of them are still wallowing in that “no, we can recover Reddit!” wishful “thinking”.
Third party apps still seem to work still, just logging in is broken on some. Not sure if reddit just “forgot” to disable anyonymous access or if they realized doing so would probably result in DDOSing themselves like twitter did.
Spez realized that he literally paid for other companies to harvest one of reddit's two greatest assets and that he needed to do something to recover. So he's been flailing around like a toddler, breaking everything in his desperation to stay on his feet, and in the meantime completely alienating reddit's other greatest asset.
What was that comment he made? Something like "reddit will continue to be profit-driven until profits arrive". Like the arrival of profits is inevitable and they don't need to do anything for them to arrive.
Also, he claims that reddit has never been profitable. How much has he spent chasing phantoms - reddit cryptocurrency, customizable snoovatars, reddit NFTs, special programming for a single day each year, buying an app then paying to make it worse, deciding to self-host images and videos, thereby drastically increasing the need for both storage and bandwidth, when they'd been perfectly happy to let others do the heavy lifting for well over a decade, paying to implement a drastically flawed video player (remember when it first launched and it was incredibly slow and we found out it was because it was trying to download every available resolution).
In 2022, reddit had $670,000,000 in revenue. There's a reason it's never turned a profit, and for the past eight years, that reason has been Steve Huffman.
I miss it, kinda. I think it was uniquely poised to take advantage of lockdown, and there was some great stuff broadcast - I particularly remember watching a kalimba concert. But we all got tired of lockdown and online meetings and that's where it floundered.
I also STR that at least some of the feeds weren't viewable after the event ended (don't know if it was all of them or not). Which meant that it wasn't really a format for short videos (because people need time to find them), so they were more effort to set up and run, and for at least the ones that weren't viewable afterward, there was nothing you could point to afterward and say "I made that!"
I think if they'd kept it around, it could've found it's niche, but at the time I didn't really miss it when it went.
There’s something wrong with people who are so out of their depth like that who don’t just find and hire someone more competent to do this stuff for them. Either just a complete lack of awareness that they are floundering or some weird stubbornness that it’s only worth succeeding if they are personally holding the tiller.
I think the only thing that could have been done better if for mods to more rapidly migrate to other plate forms and leave a detail message on the locked subreddit about why and how to move to the platform.
I’m not saying that it has to be Lemmy, but it would have been nice if it were.
Reddit was goining the way of the other big tech players, removing API for third party apps, maybe will remove old.reddit.com next ? force everyone to sign-up using their phone number, using your real names instead of nicknames, verifying your identity using goverment issued ID.
the sign is on the wall but the majority of people are fine with that, look how facebook hit the record of 3 billion users a month. these corps are too big to fail.
The protests had a good run i would say. Had a critical mass, reddit needed to react in some form or another, it got good press coverage. Not bad.
IMHO the turning point was when reddit started to message automated threats to the mods. Instead of escalating it further most subs just folded. Even though the community, subs and mods still had the upper hand at the time. There was no way for reddit to replace the mods of thousands of subs. They couldnt do it in a timely manner with even a single subreddit(i dont remember which it was, interestingasfuck?). What followed was funny but had no meaningful impact in any way. NSFW, swearing, John Oliver. Who cares?
Also a "fuck reddit" meme instead of "fuck spez" would have been IMHO a more impactful message since not only the ceo is a dickhead, the whole company sucks.
On top of just staying dark i think the community should have invested more time exposing the bullshit reddit was pulling off at the time. Like using bots powered by chatgpt. There was so much weird shit going on worth exposing.
I think part of the issue was that there needed to be a well promoted off-site hub for discussion and coordination established before action was taken.
almost everyone I know that uses reddit just switched to the official app if they weren’t using it already. Whether we want it or not a lot of normies started using reddit in the past few years and they just don’t care.
I think most people knew it was a protest and nothing more - I doubt a lot of people thought, hey Reddit is totally going to back down.
It was a mass expression of user dissatisfaction which escalated from an initial 2 day blackout into something so much more, and so I'm pretty impressed with what it did, which was stirred up shit for the management and made the CEO say some ridiculous things in the press to boot.
What I am a little disappointed in is that not as many mods walked. I'm not a mod, but I was fed the line 'it's going to be impossible to mod my sub without the 3rd party apps'. Given the amount of subs that seem to have been ticking over just nicely since the API switch though I feel like I was fed some bs in that department
The other claim is that "reddit doesn't care about blind people" which is the most ridiculous claim of all. The new site design is WCAG AA compliant. I did both an automated assessment with WAVE and used VoiceOver to confirm. It is useable for blind users with standard screen readers and other ATs.
Is it easier with apps? Sure. But it's not impossible.
I don’t claim to be familiar with their issues but I thought the problem was that the mod tools were not usable for the blind. I recall posts that they had to get help from sight-capable users to moderate r/blind.
I dunno. I think if the response has been a bit enough threat to their long-term goals they could have easily just walked back a bit by changing the pricing for API access and extending a grace period to developers already using the API.
They should just give up and leave, bless them for trying and all but haven't they learned anything...
Don't get me wrong. There's some support communities on Reddit I still visit. I don't want to see them burn down in flames. But there's no help from the admins coming. You might as well ask your cat.
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