xyguy,

I felt the exact same way about Q after the first episode both as a character and as a concept for the show. They basically introduced God in the first episode of a science fiction show and he is annoying and arrogant.

But he is actually one of the best characters by the time the show is over and his all-powerful nature is toned down a little bit.

Season 1 is pretty goofy and inconsistent overall. Give it a chance and accept it for what it is and by season 4 the writing is some of the best in science fiction TV.

ramble81,

introduced God… he is annoying and arrogant

I mean, if you had those powers too, wouldn’t you be a little arrogant?

hansl,

There’s literally a trope for how bad TNG was in the first seasons… until Riker grew a beard.

tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/…/GrowingTheBeard

worfamerryman,

TOS had so many “god” characters. At least they condensed them into 1.

xyguy,

That’s a fair point. I remember there being several but honestly don’t remember any specifically other than the Gamemaster of Triskelion because he gave such a funny performance.

realitista,

Unless you are a completist who’s willing to sit through the less than good episodes, you may want to use an episode guide such as this one which I found useful when I went back to rewatch it. Yes Q is kind of annoying, that’s actually his character and how everyone in the show feels about him too. But there are also some fantastic episodes with him, so once you get to those, you may not hate his presence as much.

williams_482,
@williams_482@startrek.website avatar

I feel compelled to recommend this guide by a long time Daystrom Institute contributor. It does an excellent job identifying episodes as essential, unnecessary but fun, mediocre, or outright bad. A good place to work from if you want a more flexible recommendation of what to try and what not to.

BananaTrifleViolin,

Keep going. It get's much much better. Each season is better than the last, but Season 2 is where the feel of the show stablises and softens; it'll always be jarring when you go back to season 1 after you pass it. Season 3 is definitely where it starts to hit it's stride.

It's largely an episodic show; you could skip to season 3 and go back to the season 1 & 2 later without missing much. A few recurring characters and themese like do Q make more sense if you watch from the start though.

If you're really wavering definitely skip to season 3.

SickDisturbence,

This advice here is it, OP. I’ve watched the whole series close to 10 times by now, and sometimes even I skip season 1. However, it does add some good context, and flashbacks in later seasons will make sense and give you a better feeling of attachment to the events if you’ve seen them.

ursakhiin,

While definitely true for the most part, I feel like the first episode is pretty important for a number of other reasons and there are things in season 1 that are explored for Data that are referenced throughout the series.

WarmSoda,

They already watched the first episode

ursakhiin,

While true of OP, I was responding to the idea that I’ve could skip the entire first season on the first watch.

The first season is rough but it sets up a lot of things that are touched on in later seasons.

circuitfarmer,
@circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

As great as TNG is, the first season is like the first season of any show: characters are less developed and the vibe is somewhat different than later offerings.

As the show progresses, everything kind of falls into a better place. In fact, the Q character allows for some of the best episodes in the series (e.g. Tapestry). So my advice would be to stick with it and you’ll likely feel different later on.

FrickAndMortar,

I hated him in the first couple of episodes too; but when TNG started, I felt like everything was overly dramatic. Picard bellowing out heavy-handed soliloquies, Worf growling and gnashing his teeth, Riker swaggering around pretending to be Kirk from the old days… things settle down pretty quickly though, and the characters become less two-dimensional.

As for Q specifically, he’s not around a whole lot, but he makes an appearance or two per season maybe. He ends up more curious about humanity than being adversarial against humanity, but he still sometimes just throws a monkey-wrench into everything for his own amusement or to test a theory, once in a while.

Stick with it, it’s a really good show.

joyjoy,

When you see Riker grow his beard, you’ll know the series has matured.

FrickAndMortar,

Haha it’s true - Q even makes a wisecrack about Riker’s beard, at one point!

m_r_butts,

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  • BradleyUffner,

    Oh wow, I had blocked it out of my mind that he ever wasn’t.

    Hupf,

    Picard bellowing out heavy-handed soliloquies

    youtu.be/hA7lv1SDzno?si=sTN69AWpiAOsV-kL

    FrickAndMortar,

    Hahaha put him in his captain’s uniform and it’s virtually indistinguishable!

    Spliffman1,

    I hate Q also… To me he was always just an excuse for the writers to take a mental break

    ruckblack,

    He gets better. I remember not being a big fan when I first saw him too.

    bhamlin,

    He doesn’t really get better, but later on the circumstances that appear around him make Q more palatable.

    ClarkDoom,

    I had no idea there were people who didn’t like Q. His introduction is by far the weakest thing about him but Q is honestly hilarious in subsequent episodes and I think his race are a very poignant commentary on what an actual race of godlike beings would be like if real.

    criitz,

    I hate Q but love TNG.

    Fortunately he is in few episodes, but unfortunately he is very influential plot-wise when he does appear.

    It doesn’t ruin how great TNG is to me at all, though

    Spliffman1,

    Same

    worfamerryman,

    My wife hates him so much, but loved TNG.

    He only show up like once or twice a season.

    I like him, but I can see why people wouldn’t.

    ArugulaZ,
    ArugulaZ avatar

    If you hated him on Next Gen, you'll really hate him on Deep Space Nine. Fortunately, he only appeared there once.

    Travelator,

    Voyager. You’ll see.

    kamenLady,

    They saw then Picard

    QWho,
    @QWho@aussie.zone avatar

    Au Contraire Mon Capitan! You are gonna love me!

    RMiddleton,
    RMiddleton avatar

    Since others have fully covered the Q portion of your comment I came to say that that cool saucer separation that’s so bad ass happens like 3 times max!

    I get that maybe it’s “expensive” or awkward to write or something from the production standpoint that makes it underused, but seriously, is it “expensive” in-universe?! Because they spread that shit out more sparingly than me buying pine nuts!

    Other show reference alert: it’s a lot like on Deep Space 9 how rarely Odo changes. If I had that fucking power I wouldn’t hold back! Let’s see, can I squeeze any more complaints in? I never understood the premise on Bewitched that Darren & Sam wouldn’t want to use her powers to make things better constantly! Ok I’m done. For now.

    WarmSoda,

    FOR NOW

    ivanafterall,
    ivanafterall avatar

    I remember complaining about things like that when my parents watched Bewitched. I always preferred I Dream of Jeannie for the plot.

    FlexibleToast,

    He’s kind of the main recurring antagonist for TNG and even shows up in Voyager. His character does get better written as the show goes on.

    natecox,
    @natecox@programming.dev avatar

    I’m jealous that you’re getting your first go through, that was a pretty magical experience.

    I usually watch the whole series every couple of years, and I’m due for a watch now, but I can’t. Star Trek was something I shared with my dad, who died two years ago, and I just can’t seem to make myself watch it anymore.

    andyburke,
    andyburke avatar

    I watched Star Trek because my dad introduced me to it. I'm now a dad and I am sharing it with my kids.

    I don't know you, and I don't know your family, but if your father liked Star Trek enough to introduce you to it, my guess is that he wouldn't want his death to take that away from you. If anything, my bet would be he'd hope it would bring you comfort and fond memories and hope for the future.

    I hope you can get there when enough time has passed, and I hope this message might help it all hurt a little less.

    natecox,
    @natecox@programming.dev avatar

    Oh yeah he totally would want me to keep on going, and I’m trying, but there’s just too much emotion there. It’s a show that I love because it’s a testament to what humanity could accomplish if we just got our shit together, and I’ve always felt emotionally attached to the show… it’s just too much right now.

    Eventually.

    williams_482,
    @williams_482@startrek.website avatar

    Grief is complicated, and two years is no time at all to recover from the death of a parent. It makes complete sense that watching something you associate with him would still be painful, and there’s nothing to be gained by forcing it.

    Eventually you’ll reach the point where reminders of your father bring up happy feelings, with the pain of losing him still present, but not overwhelming. That won’t happen fast, but you will get there. That’s the time to give TNG another go, and see how it makes you feel.

    Hang in there, friend.

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