Yeah surely. But Microsoft really stands by their product. Especially since it’s well integrated with Office, their most important software. Yeah that’s right, even more than Windows itself.
I get what you mean, I didn’t mean it that way. I trust them in the sense that they make more logical decisions with their products that Google ever will.
I mean, scrolling down that list, those all make sense. I guess if Google just did what all the other companies do and silently let go of these things instead of announcing that they are ending them so that developers and users know ahead of time not to expect long term stable and support that would be one thing. Google’s development process isn’t the same as everyone else’s though and their current method of developing tandem products and then gauging success of each and then folding the best features of the less successful one into the main one is obviously not a bad methodology as we have seen. As well it’s kind of important to a company to not waste resources on projects that customers both don’t find interesting and consume more resources than they generate while at the same time serve no greater benefit to anyone as a whole. Like, what do you want them to do? Nobody needs a web browser toolbar anymore, it’s 2023. Everyone screamed at and hated the entire concept of stadia, so they ended it. GPM was a financial failure with very few users that was due for a massive code overhaul. Like damn people, chill out.
I mean, scrolling down that list, those all make sense.
I'm not arguing that Google should have kept them going.
But I think that it might be fair to say that Google did start a number of projects and then cancel them -- even if sensibly -- and that for people who start to rely on them, that's frustrating.
In some cases, like with Google Labs stuff, it was very explicit that anything there was experimental and not something that Google was committing to. If one relied on it, well, that's kind of their fault.
Well that’s kind of the thing, that’s why Google announces they are ending those things. Most companies just end development silently and let those things differ l drift off without support or intention to solve issues which becomes incredibly telling for anyone who comes along and decides to integrate that software into their systems or daily life which later just becomes a massive problem down the line.
Announcing the end of something, and even coming up with a solution for it like domains switching to square space, GPM transferring user songs into YouTube music, and SketchUp selling to Trimble are low or even zero hassle solutions that result in longer term support for their users without throwing a “sorry it’s all broken now, go fuck yourself” methodology
Not to mention that the cpanels, documentation, and APIs for Google Cloud look like they were written by alien robots to be consumed by alien robots. I’ve never seen any other platform or docs as confusing and pointlessly convoluted as gcloud docs.
Honestly, it’s not as bad as AWS or Azure. Plus if you use k8s it’s first-in-class support, since Google came up with k8s. There is a fairly steep learning curve though.
If you’re deploying anything in cloud infra you need to make sure it’s portable between providers. Vendor lock-in is a big avoidable no-no.
They’re both very complex so it’s understandable people would have different experiences. In general I’ve found GCP fairly straightforward, with shitty documentation, generally good support of fundamentals, great k8s support, good prices, fairly modern APIs, and relatively low feature coverage. AWS more built out, awful & totally inconsistent UI, better feature coverage, higher prices, and some pretty janky XML APIs if memory serves.
They’re the absolute worst. Doc links will go in circles, redirecting you back to where you just were, API documentation is out of date - or worse it’s out of date and doesn’t tell you until the end of reading if it even tells you at all.
Not even mentioning how everything is in permanent “alpha” and “beta” state. Things are never finalized so they can get away with changing the definition on a whim and say “sorry it was in beta, now it’s in beta5”. I had to rewrite Pub/Sub code at least once a month because they changed their spec on that, and that was one of their “most finalized” products.
Fuck GCP, I will actively avoid jobs that code on it now. If you want enterprise customers, provide an enterprise product. This isn’t chat where you can rebuild it every year because your marketers are bored. These are enterprise products that companies depend on.
Doc links will go in circles, redirecting you back to where you just were
Right? Who the fuck created this standard? You’ll arrive at a doc trying to figure out how to get somewhere and it’ll tell you everything except for how to actually get there. It’ll finally have a link with the link text being the name of the section you’re trying to find, but noooo… It doesn’t actually link there, it links to a second document explaining the fucking history of that section, why they named it what they did, the engineer’s dog’s puppy’s name, and anything else to fluff out the doc without actually being useful. Why in the hell would you write a doc about an interface and not link to the relevant interface? I guess it’s probably because they completely rebuilt the way that website interfaces work and you can’t actually bookmark or deep link to anything. You always end up at the same page regardless of what you bookmark and then you have to manually navigate there. They took all the wonderful working features of the internet and broke them, then made alternatives that are 1000x worse.
I’m so happy, I’m not alone anymore… this frustration was a constant dread that I felt alone, and I feel like we’re two lost souls, wandering the plane of Google’s terrible documentation, lost forever looking for the json schema for the API we need, constantly searching, never finding it.
WHOIS privacy? Porkbun does that for free for all TLDs that support it.
I don’t think I fully understand how what they offer isn’t “ownership by proxy”. I suppose they promise not to release your info if police ask for it? On the other hand, they technically own the domains you register through them, so if they get repossessed (e.g. through legal bankruptcy proceedings), whoever their new owner is, will presumably also own your domains…
I’m probably not seeing something here, but this all sounds sketchy to me.
I really want to use porkbun but I don’t want to write scripts to integrate a custom name server api into ddclient. (I know some people have written their own wrappers but they’ve yet to make it upstream.) Namecheap it is then.
Cloudflare will do DNS for domain suffixes that they don't support. I've never used Porkbun but as long as you can set custom nameservers then you can point it at CF and use all the tools they support.
I just don’t like the idea of supporting a company as large as Cloudflare. That and their pricing system doesn’t make a lot of sense. I have to wonder where they are making their margin back.
Yeah I've wrestled with that too - I justify it to myself that they are so much smaller than Amazon or Microsoft but they are certainly not a small operation.
I also appreciate their participation in WinterCG and the dream of having interoperable runtime environments for serverless platforms. While I don't think it's quite there yet, I think it's a force for good to have a medium-sized player trying to push the interoperability that Amazon obviously isn't big on.
Huh? You mean you can’t separate the domain registrar from your DNS service provider?
I have my .ca domains on Porkbun, but DNS is hosted through Cloudflare. Porkbun supports DNSSEC records as well, so that’s not really an issue, just a few extra steps.
I was actually confused about your response to grahamsz@kbin.social… it seems like they have at least a basic understanding of how registrars vs. DNS hosts work.
Technically they won’t. They won’t host OpenNIC TLDs, for example. However, you can have your domain registered with any registrar, and as long as you specify Cloudflare’s assigned DNS servers for your domain (DNSSEC records can be set too), you should be OK.
I’ve been using Namecheap for years and have been happy with it. Why do you prefer Cloudflare? Is it for easier integration with Cloudflare services? How’s the pricing compared to Namecheap?
Cloudflare sells domains at cost. So yes, cheaper than any other registrar (including NameCheap and Porkbun), except maybe those who sell domains at a loss as a promo to rope you in and then kill you on the renewals.
Integration into their stack is a nice side effect, but really inconsequential. You can have your domains registered with any registrar and have your DNS hosted by any DNS hosting provider. Heck, you can run your own DNS servers if you want to.
One benefit of using Cloudflare DNS is that you can place a CDN on the domain apex. So if you'd like to have https://domain.com instead of https://www.domain.com then they can make that happen.
Cloudflare could be the cheapest (without cross-financing) because they advertise their pricing as they don’t add any additional fees to the ICANN fees. I never actually fact checked this though.
For Europe and specifically if you need European ccTLD’s, inwx.de and netim.com have the largest selection and good prices.
You can see other European registrars on this page but check if they support all the TLDs you need and the pricing, sometimes they have an oddly expensive price for one of them.
Oh and a note about Gandi because it’s listed as “cheap” there, they’re currently jacking up their domain prices across the board. Until now they used to be sort of expensive, after this they’ll be the most expensive by 75-100% than the others.
I renewed one of my domains in a panic because auto renew somehow turned off and yeah…wish I didn’t panic because Gandi is expensive as hell now. Guess I’ll move everything in a year
Remember that some TLDs will retain their validity period when transferred, so you can transfer them ahead of time if needed.
Look it up on the INWX TLD list and click on the ones you’re interested in. They have very good information about each TLD. You can find out if the leftover term transfers over, how long the transfer can take, if there’s a transfer fee (and whether it translates directly to the renewal cost) etc.
I pretty much only have my domain for my email adress. It’s also a back up plan should my career take another nose dive and I need a portfolio. Gsuite was good for all that.
I’m not quite in the loop with best options for that kinda thing. And I been using the email for contract work for over a decade now. So I don’t want to give that up. Would cloudflare be good for that as well?
I use Namecheap as my registrar, then split the domain between Adobe for the site (through their CC portfolio builder), and Proton for email. I migrated off Gsuite a while ago, but haven’t had any problems since doing so.
How has email deliverability been for you using Proton with a custom domain? I’m trying to move off of Google for everything but I’m still on Gmail for my personal email and a few custom domains. I’d love to move to Proton but have heard of problems with email going to spam or never being delivered but not sure if that only applies to their domains.
Thank you namecheap looks like the best choice for me so far. I’m also looking at a local one called host papa. I may need to export my email history and figure out exactly what my needs are in terms of space. Proton might be a good option there as well if I can keep it at 1GB.
I second cloudflare. When they announced that squarespace bought Google domains a couple months ago I immediately switched over to cloudflare, no issues so far (plus additional features are a plus)
Netim.com includes a 1 GB email address and a website with 250 MB and SSL with any domain.
If you want more email features you can delegate your MX records to Migadu.com, $20/year for unlimited mailboxes, domains, aliases etc. with 5 GB. The send/receive limits are soft limits, they don’t block emails if you go over. If you constantly and grossly go over your tier they ask you to consider going to the next one up but occasional misses are ok.
Are CloudFlare, Amazon or Microsoft any better? Google at least take security (if not privacy) very seriously.
In general it seems bad to have any huge profit-driven organisation exercising significant control over open standards, but I do think that Google is lesser than many of the other evils.
Why would anyone ever use a Google service that wasn't already massively established? They almost always cancel every product they create. The search engine and g-suite apps are permanent (gmail, docs, sheets, etc.) but everything else runs a very real risk of being cancelled.
My problem with squarespace is that 10 years ago I used to visit a few forums run on their servers, and every time I hit ESC in Firefox to stop animated gifs or to make a page stop loading/redirecting, it would navigate me to the CMS login page for the site owner.
Is this a problem today? No, I mostly browser on a tablet without a keyboard, I have no idea if they still do this.
Am I going to give them any money for this? Nope, the only thing I know about squarespace is that they used to intercept a browser shortcut to stop loading a page instead navigate away from the current page.
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