For me personally, two shows/movies made a big impact on me as an early teen:
Star Trek (TNG at the time)
Jurassic Park
The reason being that most of the characters in those two shows/movies weren’t superheroes/cops/etc. They were geeks and nerds.
Star Trek, the geeks and nerds are prized in society, and their purpose is to explore, to learn. They were scientists. They didn’t accomplish their thing by conquest, but by diplomacy and science. There, of course, were battles/warriors/etc, but those are shown as the exception.
In Jurassic Park, every character is a nerd (the Dino obsessed boy, the Unix hacking girl, the Paleontologist/Paelobotanist, the Geneticist, Mathematician, etc). The good guys AND the bad guys were nerds. No strong-man was needed to save the day.
I was a nerdy kid, and those spoke to me. I now work in a science research lab, and love it. I’m still a nerd.
I don’t care for the newer ones because literally none of the characters or moments are memorable. I can remember a deleted scene of… Whoever the female lead is (Christ, even forgot who she is) rubbing dinoshit all over herself and Chris Pratt getting turned on. Also remember a PA having the most unnecessary and violent death for just existing.
There was a scene that was very memorable to me. It’s the scene where Chris Pratt is riding a Triumph Bonneville through a dense forest, full of undergrowth, with his raptor buddies. It is memorable to me because it’s impossible. As someone who rides motorcycles and dirt bikes, that scene stood out to me as so stupid. Oh, one other scene. Where the aviary dome is broken and the pterodactyls immediately embark on a homicidal rampage. Because we all know that animals don’t kill for food, they kill for fun, and what’s more fun than slaughtering an entire city?
If they immediately go to slaughtering everything, that would mean they are hungry, which means the park staff was likely severely underfeeding them… which is animal abuse and gets zoos fined and/or shut down. Well fed animals might take a swipe at someone in their way, but they’d likely just head for the forest and do bird stuff there.
Realistic Jurassic Park would be pretty boring TBH
I hate it. I tried to like it but overall, I am appalled by it. There was one exception: The way they portrayed the relationship between Stamets and Culber was nice. However, the dumpster fire at the center of the show is Burnham. I have never seen a show try to glorify a main character like that unless there was some irony involved. STD really shoves Burnham down your throat again and again. SHE saves the day/ship/federation/universe. She is praised constantly, just in case you idiot failed to realize how magnificent she is, and, hey, did we mention, she is…ummm…SPOCK’S…SISTER!!! Yes, his sister! What? Doesn’t make sense? Shut up and love her already! Then, the plot holes. Would it have been so unbearably hard to write scripts that at least try to look consistent and logical? As for the dialogs: they are important to show how great Burnham is. I found myself skipping over most of them without missing anything important. Oh, and, then there’s Saru‘s sister piloting a fighter while Burnham‘s mom returns from the dead to join a ROMULAN order of warrior nuns. In my opinion, as personal and inconsequential it may be, this show is a big F*** YOU! to Trek fans.
That was a great episode/finale. Kovich being Daniels made me gasp and clap. That was great. I’m sad the series is over because I really liked Rayner this season as a foible to all the cheerfulness on Disco. The only thing I would want in a new season would have been more Rayner and more Grudge.
It was a nice reveal but to be honest, what kind of importance did it really have? The Daniels from ENT was quite involved in the story, Kovich was more a side character that here and there gave some input. Looking back, how does knowing he is Daniels change anything in the events he was part of? I might not remember his involvement well enough to be fair.
One thing I disliked was, Owo and Detmer are away half the season, and I saw an article that the actresses just had different projects so that’s fine. They got replaced by… People whose characters were never really developed since they were stand-ins. Don’t even recall their names. And then when its the big goodbye celebration scene on Discovery its Owo and Detmer there, but not the two replacements? Goddamn Rayner was there too but you left out these two? That was cold.
It kinda makes sense that Kirk is there while Spock talks to his dad. Kirk is his best friend after all. It also makes sense that people present him with information and he makes the decisions. That’s how the chain of command works. He’s the Captain of the flagship of the Federation. He’s the decision maker. He bears the responsibility for their actions, so he decides what those actions will be.
Very hard disagree from me. I find it to be one of the most fun Star Trek movies, and by the metrics, most fans agree. This is the first time that I encounter someone that suggests that Star Trek IV would be unpopular.
I really enjoy the movie despite the problems, but it does have huge problems. And thankfully some of the stuff (no swearing in the 23rd century) has been retconned.
Edit: Since I already opened this can of worms, my biggest problem with ST IV, by far, is that Kirk and his crew have major difficulties adapting to 1980s Earth when not only do they not have that difficulty when on clandestine missions on entirely alien planets, Kirk and Spock do not seem to have a problem adapting to 1930s Earth in City on the Edge of Forever.
It kind of makes them seem inept and it bothers me.
If you have fun watching it, then go for it. The whole Shatner focused thing makes a lot of sense. He would setup shots in minutes instead of the industry norm of hours just for that focus.
A lot of them like the religious criticism (which I think is heavily watered down by that alien not being the mythical god of either Vulcan or Earth), they liked the idea of a Vulcan pro-emotions cult, and I’m sure some of them like pew pew space battle with the Klingons.
I like that it’s about exploration. Even if it’s Sybok forcing the expedition to begin with, Kirk does ultimately make the choice to go along with it. No other Trek movie is actually about seeking out a strange new world.
I like the shore leave scenes. I hear a lot of complaints about them, but I appreciate spending a little time with the our characters just being dysfunctional friends.
I like that it makes full use of DeForest Kelley. His “pain” scene is excellent, and his frequent exasperation with Kirk is sold very well throughout the film. Say what you will about Shatner’s ego, but he gets that Kirk can be a petulant child at times, and needs McCoy to verbally smack some sense into him, as in the brig scene.
For that matter, I like Kirk’s pain speech. A little sermonising, maybe, but that’s Trek for you. It works well enough considering that two films ago this man was forced to abandon his estranged son’s corpse on an exploding planet. Insisting on holding on to that pain is substantial, but very Kirk.
I enjoy the entire meeting with God. A little goofy, but terrifically quotable.
I do see plenty of faults. A lot of the humour doesn’t land. Introducing our new hero ship as a piece of junk is immediately off-putting. The Scotty/Uhura pairing comes out of nowhere and ultimately goes nowhere. The ground assault sequence was disappointingly underwhelming. The effects are weak af, and if I saw it on release in theatres I’d probably feel pretty sour towards the apparent trajectory of the series towards something that felt more direct-to-video.
But I never have a bad time watching it. The good outweighs the bad for me.
Yeah, I’m clearly in the minority, and I might just be too forgiving of the TOS era movies. I’m certainly not as inclined to give a break to Insurrection or Nemesis. But if you do give it another chance, I hope you enjoy it a bit more this time!
My head canon attributes the crew’s poor adaptability to the 1980s to having made the trip in a Klingon bird of prey, which almost certainly would not have had good historical data about 20th century Earth. No data, no “here’s how to act” briefing.
But credit to Kirk for having “double dumbass on you!” at the ready. Absolutely devastating.
Didn’t they have that historian with them? I believe he got shot not long into the mission, but they did go down to the planet with a historian who knew about the 1930s and gangsters.
You’re thinking of A Piece of the Action. In City on the Edge of Forever, McCoy goes through the Guardian of Forever and Kirk and Spock go through after him. All three adapt just fine, including McCoy, who is also insane.
No, what I’m thinking of was a season 2 TNG episode where a historian goes onto the holodeck into one of Picard’s Dixon Hill holonovels, and he gets shot and dies.
Fair enough. I was just guessing to be honest since you were thinking 1930s episode. I haven’t seen A Piece of the Action in years. Other than the fun part where Kirk teaches the two thugs Fizzbin and the concept of cultural contamination being a reason for the Prime Directive, it’s a really stupid episode.
Edit: also the planet modeled itself on a book about Chicago mobs of the 1920s, not the 1930s. Oops. Must have been a really detailed book.
In A Piece of the Action? Yeah, I think so. But the whole planet (apparently) was supposed to be an incredibly realistic portrayal of a mob-controlled Chicago in the 1920s down to the fact that the cars were both recognizable models and had manual transmissions with a clutch Kirk didn’t understand how to use, all from one book.
Oh man, when I saw Frakes name I had high hopes for this. Not going to write too much about the episode but I have no clue how they are giving this series a satisfying finale in that very last episode after this!
One thing though, what the hell was going on with Discovery when they tried to find that clue within the two black holes. They go in, get out of the two black holes, see the container and are like, let’s talk this over how to get this thing. Then the Breen swoop in and tractor that bucket into their cargo hold within 5 seconds! What gives? That was just needless incompetence. The Discovery crew is seriously not that stupid.
Why not having the Breen swoop in as Disocvery is attempting to escape. Then while Discovery is heading out the Breen grab the clue. Could have made up some technobabble about how some radiation from the black holes obscures Discovery from the Breen or whatever.
Anything else but what was shown. Damn. How is this so hard?
Despite being a prequel, I think they are telling a unique (and imo awesome) story. We know the end result, but between the decent writing and S tier acting I think that this has the chance to be remembered as the best Trek ever imo. I may be in the minority, but having a hard coded ending shields the show from Paramount getting bored with it and forcing a bs ending. Even if they try, we know what happens in the end.
It’s just that the TOS prequel angle is exactly the way that Paramount can force some BS … because it’s the path to a TOS reboot.
We know paramount would want to do this (they’ve stated openly that familiar faces and franchises will be their future focus). And they’ve already played with the timeline. The episode with young Kahn establishes that we’re in a different canon timeline now, which means they’re probably feeling ambitious here about rebooting TOS in their own way. It need not cancel TOS, but just delay the timeline so that they can squeeze in their own pre-TOS TOS reboot.
From Lower Decks and Disco being cancelled, to Matalas heading the new Marvel Vision TV series (which means “Legacy” ain’t happening any time soon) … everything is lining up with the execs focusing on a SNW -> TOS reboot arc (for the cash).
From all of the reactions I’ve seen to the TOS characters in SNW (which I personally haven’t enjoyed because I like SNW and its own characters) … I think people would either eat it up or Paramount would be reasonable in expecting people to eat it up.
Even if the TOS prequel stuff eases, they’ve already laid the groundwork with Kirk now being an established secondary character and everyone apart from Sulu and Bones and of course Chekhov having been introduced (but they all come kinda later don’t they?)
I hope I’m wrong. But like I said, the moment Kirk appeared in the finale of SNW S1, however much I liked the episode, that was the door way for paramount forcing BS.
And just in case anyone thinks I just hate TOS … it’s not about that, it’s about moving on from TOS and doing new things, and also, frankly, avoiding the pretty under-diverse set of characters TOS had compared to what we’d expect today. It really would be something if all of the women in SNW were to be pushed out for the men of TOS, which, in my opinion has already happened in the episodes that featured TOS characters (notice how La’an and especially Ortegas have been underdeveloped here and there?)
As long as we don’t get a Mass Effect style ending, I’ll be fine. I’ve always liked Trek, but SNW made me love it. I love the acting so much that it’d take a lot to get me to hate what the writers are potentially forced to do. My only real problem with Discovery is that in the end it focuses on a single character, and that can feel tiring at best. SNW makes it feel like the whole crew is important with a story to tell. My head cannon is that whatever is written, Pike is willing to use 7th century cookware inventions to make his crew happy, and to great effect. I’ll never get over him giving a shit about the entire crew.
As far as the potential ending BS goes, I think the writers for this series legitimately have more respect for the franchise than to just make final episode simply “Pike got hurt and now can only beep boop in a chair like a boss.” The “minor” characters matter here. This might be me just fangirling, but I have huge hopes for SNW going into (hopefully) S5 or beyond.
Yea I suspect that this is where things will go actually. But I’m not sure execs can resist the idea of a TOS reboot.
I’m not enough of a TOS fan to know how viable it is, but if they can get a writer keen to write stories that don’t break canon but simply add to the original stories, I think the execs will green light the shit out of that.
Which is completely subjective and based off of your opinion. Moreover, I’m talking about the current season. There’s a reason I haven’t bothered to interact with anyone else on this thread slagging off the entire show. Not interested in that. The scope of the post is pretty narrow and obviously so.
OK, certainly this season now follows all previous seasons and Picard. After half the season the writing drifts off from good start into eh whatever.
Nice surprise I found was “Captain” Rhys! Damn he looked fly as hell in that chair!
But the episode itself, what’s going on with that library. So it changes location every 50 years but also is in the badlands for a century already. It seems to have relations to all kinds of species, but also is kind of secret. They have strict rules against misbehaving. But when a big bad ship with heavy weaponry comes along, they are helpless. Ah and almost forgot, they require you have that metal slip to even get there, but the Breen are welcome without it if they are nice. So much promise with it and so poorly written.
Don’t get me started on Moll and her takeover of Breen society, like what. Most xenophobic race ever and its that easy to turn the average Breen? Not believable.
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