Please fix Rule 1.

A shroom community was removed from lemmy.world as it was considered “illegal” content by the admins. The logic behind this is boggling, to say the least.

Marijuana is considered an illegal substance in some states in the US and is still federally illegal. /c/trees should be banned, correct?

Clown pictures of Putin are absolutely considered illegal in Russia, so that should require and immediate ban.

Freedom of speech can also be considered illegal in some places.

Incest is considered illegal so that should automatically trigger a ban on all incest porn, real or not. Hell, porn is universally taboo, so that shouldn’t have any place on this instance, I guess.

You see where I am going with this? Rule 1 is a catch-all and needs clarification. Simply saying something is illegal is not quite enough. Owning and sharing pictures of shrooms is not illegal. Trading spores or mycelium is generally not illegal either.

This is not about me being salty (which I am) about the community being removed and forced to relocate. It’s the odd bias that was applied to justify its removal.

Please note that I said fix Rule 1, not remove it. There are some really bad things on the internet that shouldn’t use lemmy as a safe haven.

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/1f6633b7-1c13-4fb0-b4dc-62aeb71034b9.jpeg

luthis,

Nah yeah bro, agreed.

Rearsays,

In this thread there is a whole bunch of chest beating of individuals who don’t really understand what this is yet.

Rearsays,

The problem is you’re never going to control how people use Lemmy the internet treats censorship as if it were damage and routes around it.

The only option is to abide the laws of local jurisdiction. No amount of reddit protesting is going to work in this case. You’re either going to enjoy Lemmy.world or it won’t be your cup of tea and you’ll find another instance. The question is what will it take to boil your frog.

TheLurker,

Everyone is a big shit talker about “freedom of speech” right up to the point they get the cease and desist letter from some corporation or a visit from the police for facilitating illegal activities.

Rule 1 exists exactly for the purpose of it being a catch-all.

Go run your own instance and let’s see how stoic you are when the lawsuits start rolling in.

Rearsays,

Unfortunately, the fact of the matter is that freedom of speech is really not an actual thing that actually exists. You’re always unfortunately going to have to hide the bad stuff from the regulators because of their laws in the end all it really does is hides the bad stuff. It doesn’t actually stop the bad stuff.

remotelove,

Your input is fascinating, but misplaced.

The purpose of this thread was for the admins to clarify what actually is illegal. Allowing a marijuana community has the same risks for an admin as pictures of other things like shrooms in other communities.

I personally would like to know where it is illegal to post and talk about any drug, honestly. Especially so if the drugs we are talking about are widely decriminalized.

Growing, selling or trading drugs online is generally illegal. I understand why those kinds of posts should be removed.

TheLurker,

Your input is intriguing but delusional.

Do you seriously expect the admins to keep track of all laws in all countries?

In fact let me simplify. Using your logic of the admins “defining” what is legal and what is not, all posts are now forbidden because they probably break some law in some country.

You do realise that the world is bigger and more complex than your local town right?

Rule 1 exists to help admins justify decisions like this in order to help protect them from law suits. THE END!

remotelove,

The admins were using the legal staus of shrooms in other countries (besides their own) as a justification for removing the community. Ok, cool. Now apply that reasoning fairly across other communities.

Clarifying a point is not hard and they do get very specific with other rules as well, if you haven’t read them. They could easily say that drug trade on lemmy.world is forbidden. Easy.

Also, chill with the ad hominem arguments. Trying to use insults to prove yourself correct just makes you look like the jackass.

Again, I don’t think you understand the full scope of the points I am making. I understand your points, but they are just bad ones.

TheLurker,

Literally there are admins from multiple countries.

You don’t know what country the service is hosted in.

The admins made a decision, precisely because they felt this was a risk to them.

Don’t like it, then spin up your own instance, host whatever content you like and get a good lawyer.

As I pointed out in my original post. Everyone in this thread is a free speech absolutist, but let’s see how that conviction holds against a lawsuit.

PetteriSkaffari,

We have to admin the admins.

Rearsays,

It really doesn’t matter how hard you want to push back on these rules. If the servers for the instance you’re complaining about are there to protect them against laws, granted, misguided laws. For the sake of the longevity of the instance, then, so be it, you have the freedom to take a walk and find a better spot to have a picnic. That’s the benefit of a federated universe.

GodzillaFanboy129,

It matters if we stop donating to them. If that happens, which it could since a lot of people are quite mad at them it would be detrimental to them. I’m all for it to be honest, people shouldn’t donate to someone they dislike or view as crooked.

Rearsays,

Why would you give money so to an instance you don’t use. You don’t even have to support the original Lemmy people if you don’t like their politics you can just use kbin

Desistance,
@Desistance@lemmy.world avatar

To be fair, cannabis is legal in a lot of states now despite the slowness of the federal government. Especially medical cannibis. Psilocybin is only legal in two states. It’s gonna take a while to catch up.

davepleasebehave,

it’s al.illegal in the UK. so maybe it should be banned?

some_guy,

I bought psilocybin mushrooms legally in Oakland, CA, fwiw. Like a month ago.

TheLurker,

Wow. And I mean the whole world has the same laws as bumfuck Idaho, I mean Oakland. This is such an attack on your human rights by these admins right? 🙄

some_guy,

No. I’m saying that laws apply in some places and not in others. As an Oaklander, there’s nothing wrong with these conversations. Should a community be removed if they violate a law in Pakistan but not the rest of the world. Your comment is laughable.

TheLurker,

Yes they should if the admins feel that it may cause them legal troubles. That’s the WHOLE point.

Are you seriously so dense and entitled that you think others should carry the risk just so you can post whatever the fuck you want?

Nalivai, (edited )

Isn’t it kind of the point of federated communities? Admins of one particular instance can set whatever arbitrary rules they see fit and good for the instance they operate, and in turn everyone else can organise their own instance with their own rules.
I absolutely can understand how an admin based in US doesn’t want to answer the questions like “what are all this talks about controlled substances on your server”

FishyCunt99483,

While the rules might vary the law is very clear here. Shrooms are a regulated substance and that community is hosted on a site which chooses not to engage in illegal activity, so naturally they are going to want to remove it.

neal33,

Shrooms are perfectly legal to grow in my jurisdiction. Like others have said, where do you draw the line? Legal is a very vague definition and allows for a lot of grey.

Feathercrown,

Incest is considered illegal so that should automatically trigger a ban on all incest porn, real or not

GOOD. This is a plague. Get it out! OUT I SAY!

remotelove,

youtu.be/FKv0gXUN67g

Sorry. My inner Rick and Morty was leaking.

Feathercrown,

“For-- for a friend of mine.”

iminahurry,

The Fdiverse already seems to be unraveling.

I always thought the model was flawed. Content from other instances should only be viewable and not copied to all instances.

fkn,

How would that work? Explain your magical, mystical ways of data transfer and storage oh sage one.

HawlSera,

A shroom community? That’s disgusting, where?

KroninJ,
@KroninJ@lemmy.world avatar

Not on Lemmy.world, I can tell you that much at least.

pornhubfan,

I think it’s !shrooms now

HawlSera,

Thank

themajesticdodo,

I groan every time this joke gets copied and pasted. It’s pretty pathetic.

HawlSera,

It’s less a joke and more a way to ask for urls with plausible deniability

some_guy,

Slow down, Mac…

xthedeerlordx,

So you’re all going to volunteer to be on the mod team or contribute to LW moderation in some way right? or go to a different instance that aligns with your views? With the huge variety of instances available, you come to the most mainstream, and complain it’s the most mainstream… wild

remotelove,

You are totally missing the point, just like you missed the point in your last deleted post.

I think we all want to see most instances and communities thrive. With this being the most “mainstream” instance, it gives many users their first glimpse into Lemmy and the rest of the federation. If the first thing people see is the same shitty admin actions that Reddit was known for, they puts a huge damper on adaptation.

If the first few days are spent looking for an instance where their communities and comments won’t get banned, it just makes for a shitty experience.

xthedeerlordx,

If the first few days are spent looking for an instance where their communities and comments won’t get banned

this is just the other side of the coin of finding a community that aligns with you.

If the first thing people see is the same shitty admin actions that Reddit was known for, they puts a huge damper on adaptation.

So take accountability. If you don’t want people to just see posts of users whining, then do something constructive about it.

Ya’ll can hate how social media works all you want. Yet so few actually DO anything about it aside from complain. Just continuing to push the optics to what YOU want it to be rather than what the admins of LemmyWorld want to see. If that doesn’t align with you, then leave. it’s not complicated

remotelove,

accountability

Your point of reference is flipped. I don’t need to take accountability for something that the admins are doing.

optics

Banning one community for being “illegal” while not banning another gives some fairly spectacular visuals.

xthedeerlordx,

Your point of reference is flipped. I don’t need to take accountability for something that the admins are doing.

Nah, it’s on you. No one is forcing you to use lemmyworld

Banning one community for being “illegal” while not banning another gives some fairly spectacular visuals.

false equivalence isn’t going to get you too far. If you think it’s so easy to moderate communities that walk the line of illegal/legal, then by all means, start your own instance.

fairly spectacular visuals.

this made me lol. it’s not some egregious action against the prestigious mushroom community… most casual users likely won’t even know this happened in a couple days, let alone give a single fuck…

remotelove,

false equivalence

Do you even know what that means? I am writing off this conversation as pointless.

pozbo,
@pozbo@lemmy.world avatar

Which jurisdiction is lemmy.world in?

remotelove,

I am assuming the US, based on their recent requests for a sysop in US timezones but I am not sure about which one exactly.

MrPoopyButthole,
@MrPoopyButthole@lemmy.world avatar

Its hosted on Hetzner Germany

remotelove,

That would explain thier issues with piracy.

FedditAlt,

The piracy instance needs to be reinstated too. The admins of this community make Reddit look good.

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