doktorseven,

These will be the same people forever defending and holding on to 11 after 10 is dead and 12 has been out forever. Just like all times before. The people holding on to 7 are now these staunch 10 defenders after it was obvious 7 was a crutch.

southsamurai,
@southsamurai@sh.itjust.works avatar

No, no, I still hate 10 and refuse to use it. I keep 7 on one pc for musicbee, and that’s it. Fuck windows. Fuck it in the ass without consent, using a razor studded strap on. Fuck 10, fuck 11, and definitely fuck 12

GigglyBobble,

I hope you keep your win 7 isolated from the internet since it has been out of maintenence for quite a while now.

You always have to consider that probably at least 80% of the Windows code base is the same across versions. So when a current release gets a patch for a new security flaw that's a hint to the malware devs the old release is likely vulnerable too. As soon as a version gets out of maintenance its likelihood for infection rises steeply.

southsamurai,
@southsamurai@sh.itjust.works avatar

Yeah, I use my main PC for internet access, then move files onto an external drive to transfer.

Not that I’d ever use it for anything but pirating music files at this point anyway. It’s really not up to much tbh, the hardware is all old as hell, it’s just fairly audio focused.

dx1,

It’s interesting how much worse this works than the Linux model of just having a single continuously updating release and trying to never break compatibility. There’s stable releases with distros like Debian and branching major versions (sometimes), but updating to the next version rarely creates an actual nightmare like XP -> 7 or 7 -> 10 might.

Takumidesh,

I think there is a fair balancing point between jumping on the newest release of an os, when you have an established workflow, and don’t know about longevity (windows 8 had a shorter than normal support cycle) and holding on to an outdated os for ever and ever.

I don’t plan on switching to win 11 anytime soon, but I eventually will I’m sure.

deegeese,

No, this is the usual reaction to Microsoft’s habit of following a good Windows release with a terrible one.

Vista made people stick with XP Win8 made people stick with 7 Win11 makes people stick with 10

There were no die-hard fans sticking with the shit releases, just as nobody will cling on to Windows 11.

dx1,

The backwards compatibility starts getting unbearable after a while. XP runs like a dream on modern hardware but the fact that everything after ~2014 or so only supports 7+, there’s a limit on how mucn you can do with it.

player2,

This time really is different because windows is ending updates for windows 10 in 2025 AND they will not allow many computers to upgrade to windows 11, your only choice is to buy a new computer, which obviously isn’t an option for everyone.

I built my gaming PC in 2017 and it still runs all the games and editing programs I want, but it is not eligible to upgrade to W11 because their DRM won’t work on my processor.

Phen,

I was very happy with almost all windows update in the last 23 yrars. WinXp was bad for a little while but soon got good. Win Vista was terrible for a shorter period and soon got fantastic. Everything else had more good than bad from the start. Win11 had zero positive changes until the paint layers got announced, with a ton of negative changes.

RizzRustbolt,

Not even the stock photo guys can install that UH11 update.

Maddie47,

I’m fairly sure Microsoft touted Windows 10 as the “last version of Windows” and were just going to build on and improve it forever.

But yeah Windows 11 is shit. I wish we could all go back to Windows 7.

tweeks,

Windows 7 truly was a blessing; fresh new update and performant, but before the double interface hell and advanced taskbar shit with intrusive ads implemented.

At least that’s how I remember it.

pathief,
@pathief@lemmy.world avatar

Putting the obvious privacy issues aside (which also exist in Windows 10), my friends/family who use Windows actually enjoy Windows 11. Most people don’t care about privacy, they enjoy running the most recent windows edition whatever that is.

The problem is that Windows 11 introduced some really arbitrary hardware requirements and people who actually want to upgrade don’t have the tech knowledge to bypass them. These sites think people hate windows 11 but they’re just too poor to upgrade.

ChaoticEntropy,
@ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk avatar

It has definitely come with a significant roadblock compared to the ease with which you could move from Windows 7 or 8 to Windows 10. It is a whole lot less straightforward a proposition this time around.

jmanes,
@jmanes@lemmy.world avatar

This happens over and over again with Windows so I don’t really take any of these articles seriously. People will migrate to either 11 or whatever comes next. All the kicking and screaming in the world won’t be able to stop them. How long are tech folks going to repeat this cycle?

BombOmOm, (edited )
@BombOmOm@lemmy.world avatar

I very recently installed Linux on one of my daily drivers. Been slowly switching away from windows as they have gotten more and more anti-user.

DuncanIdaho,

I’ve been pushing every app company I use to go linux. I feel that Ubintu and Munt are far superior OS’s. They just need more music, video and art editors to support it.

Water1053,

Just curious. What does the process of “pushing an app company to go Linux” look like?

DuncanIdaho,

TBH I have no idea beyond sending the company an email and asking. I used to put out polls to users and tag in the company asking if people would use it on linux, not many maybe one of two.

Zenbach,

Munt?

DuncanIdaho,

Goddammit. I have a problem with my fingers, sorry. (I think its arthritis but cant get diagnosed) My fingers misfire smetimes

I meant Mint and Ubuntu.

dynamo,

Maybe they meant “Mint”.

AlolanYoda,

Yeah, have you never heard of the two popular Linux distributions, Ubintu and Munt?

MrFlamey,

I don’t even understand why Windows 11 exists. I thought Windows 10 was meant to be the last version and then it was continually upgraded. They never add any particularly good new features, so I’m happy with security updates and staying behind a few months on feature updates to avoid being a beta tester.

Oh, and Windows 11 removed the ability to put the taskbar on the left or right, and I would have thought that perhaps teams of engineers and designers paid 100k+ in a trillion dollar company would be able to make that a reality, regardless of whether or not it’s only 1% of users (millions of people) that use that feature. I heard the right click menus have been fucked up by some idiot as well, and the sad thing is they probably spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to make them that way, after many many depressing meetings and someone had to task it all out in Azure, whilst gradually losing the will to live, just to eventually make an already existent feature worse. Nice job Microsoft.

I’m happy to wait until Windows 11 is at least at feature parity with Windows 10 and thoroughly tested before I “upgrade”. I suspect some things got better, but it isn’t worth it.

AnUnusualRelic,
@AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world avatar

I feel like Windows always grabs ui ideas from the Linux desktops. Well, Windows 11 is Windows but designed by Gnome.

FriedCheese,

I upgraded to windows 11 at the urging of security updates and such.

They really took away a bunch of features that make it difficult, for me as someone with a disability, to use the computer comfortably. I have made complaints about the problem and have basically received only “thank you for your feedback”.

I have a loss of mobility in my hands and wrists as well as arthritis, so sometimes I have difficulty using the mouse and clicking around on the screen.

They the slide bars on the side of the file explorer and the web browsers (at least what I’ve noticed so far) so tiny and hard to click for me since I don’t have as much as accuracy as normal users. I have to very carefully focus and make sure I click properly or I can’t slide the bar. I attempted to resize this through some settings but it ends up making the web browser slide bars too big and barely makes a difference for the file explorer.

Then in addition to that, the design of the task bar at the bottom where it’s centered in the screen is extremely frustrating for me to use. I am constantly misclicking items there as it was and then they added a bunch that I didn’t want. I spent probably an hour resizing it and removing unnecessary items there.

And while it doesn’t relate to my disability, I didn’t like the little dots they used to indicate an open program, I preferred the outline. Which you can change but it wasn’t very intuitive, I had to figure it out through googling!

shikogo,

I’ve had to use some W11 virtual machines for school. Absolutely miserable user experience, both for everyday tasks and power users. Just… why?

Honytawk,

Ah, so it is exactly like Windows 8

servermonky,

Everyone knows every other version of windows is shit.

My Win 10 is working fine on proxmox for the few games that require windows.

Sygheil,

Windows is so diversed you natively can install WSL (apart from cygwin in the old days) and look like hackintosh at the same time.

My laptop came with it but i downgraded to W10. My issue was with adrenalin driver which barely does its thing on W11

Colorcodedresistor,

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  • cereal_killer,

    When Windows sold off to India, i knew it was the end.

    Wtf is that supposed to mean?

    Colorcodedresistor,

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  • cereal_killer,

    I’m genuinely asking what you meant by “Windows selling off to India”. That makes no sense at all among other valid statements.

    krakenx,

    Microsoft’s CEO is from India.

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satya_Nadella

    cereal_killer,

    With an American citizenship. Also, plenty of CEOs are from India. Doesn’t say anything about the company.

    Cobrachickenwing,

    Windows 10 should be proud it is XP next generation. We are going to get another vista disaster if Microsoft keeps pushing 11.

    CrypticFawn,

    My pc isn’t compatible with Win11 (unsupported cpu) and since I’m poor, I’m not getting a new one anytime soon.

    Besides, Win10 is great.

    cyberpunk007,

    And when it’s end of life and open season for hackers, just switch to Linux

    zatanas,

    I’d say switch now, if you’re going to switch eventually anyways, why wait?

    whaleross,
    @whaleross@lemmy.world avatar

    Because no need to fix when it works good enough.

    zatanas,

    This is a good point. I use windows for gaming and Linux as my daily driver.

    DraughtGlobe,

    If someone has a Nvidia GPU, hopefully by that time Nvidia will actually support Wayland properly. And more work will have pushed to all the big distro’s for HDR and fractional scaling support. So it might be beneficial to wait those couple of years

    CrypticFawn,

    I’m a gamer, so that isn’t a viable option for me. I know that it’s starting to get better thanks to the Steamdeck but it has a long way to go.

    stolid_agnostic,

    I manage a university computer lab and am only planning to upgrade because new consumer devices ship with it. This has already caused a lot of trouble.

    Anonbal185,

    If it ain’t broke don’t fix it. Windows 10 isn’t even close to end of support.

    If enterprise users haven’t moved over then individual users don’t need to.

    I will move over before support finishes but make no mistake that’ll be because I’m forced to due to security reasons and not because I want to.

    My windows 10 enterprise has been running flawlessly.

    cyberpunk007,

    It isn’t that far off from end of life…

    “Windows 10 will reach end of support on October 14, 2025. The current version, 22H2, will be the final version of Windows 10, and all editions will remain in support with monthly security update releases through that date. Existing LTSC releases will continue to receive updates beyond that date based on their specific lifecycles.”

    learn.microsoft.com/…/windows-10-home-and-pro

    Only 2 years.

    icedterminal,

    Two years goes by fast. The only people getting extended support are enterprise customers. And that gets progressively more expensive until the extended support ends.

    Anonbal185,

    It sure does. But if businesses haven’t panicked then a home user doesn’t need to.

    Reviewing and redoing intune policies, deployments, software compatibility testing, driver deployment ,reconfiguring autopilot and testing through the rings is an absolute pain in the arse.

    For personal deployments you can deploy within one day. No need to worry about any of the above. So if businesses aren’t worried yet neither should regular consumers.

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