A nonprofit group has sent a petition to Microsoft, urging it to extend the end-of-support date for Windows 10 beyond 2025 to prevent “the junking” of millions of PCs.
I have Linux on all my machines except one crappy old laptop that had Windows 10. When they EOL Win10, I’ll have to buy another one like that for those rare occasions when you need to run something that just won’t work in Linux.
As a gamer, proton/lutris still isn’t quite to the point that I am ready to make the jump. It’s very close though and I’m going to make the switch probably in the next 24 months.
Oh yeah, you’re right there! I haven’t had the funds to get a home VR setup yet, so I was pleasantly surprised all my games actually run BETTER after I made the switch.
Typically, imo, most people who aren’t ready to jump to Linux are there because their top couple of games are ruled by arrogant devs/publishers who balk at the idea of ticking an “enable proton compatibility” checkbox with their anticheat.
From what I’ve seen Proton has hit a quality of compatibility that the games will just run, and typically better than Windows. If it doesn’t run it’s usually because it’s too new and proton needs a patch, or the devs/publishers did the aforementioned “no, i won’t tick the checkbox, it’s too hard.” bullshit.
Basically, if your waiting on a game to be supported for proton, it may need to wait until Linux adoption hits around 20 percent before the devs/publishers get that bullshit idea out of their head.
I have no allegiance to either, the second Linux is consistently beating Windows and compatible with 95%ish of new releases I’m in. Steam Deck proved that it is a matter of time I think, thank you Valve 🙏
Sure, in an ideal world I’d be rocking 4k and max settings, but I just want to play the games. I’ve been so tied up for the last 8 years that I have a wonderful back catalog of games to play. I’m currently playing RDR2 and holy shit it might be the greatest game ever made.
I dock it for older games that I need keyboard and mouse to play.
If you get the heroic launcher, you can install proton or proton GE and use them on Epic Games or GOG games. I’m pretty sure there is a way of doing it without a launcher but it is less user friendly. I also prefer Heroic to Lutris.
if your waiting on a game to be supported for proton, it may need to wait until Linux adoption hits around 20 percent before the devs/publishers get that bullshit idea out of their head.
17℅ advantage? Daaamn hope these aren’t anomalies, because like 2 years ago Wine performance only lagged behind like 5℅, and this sounds too good to be true for me.
For me it’s that a lot of the open source options to replace the Adobe and MS Office suites just always fall short. Trouble shooting Linux issues feels like hell after a lifetime of learning how to troubleshoot Windows issues.
Adobe is the bane of my existence for many reasons, and I jump ship wherever I can. But GIMP doesn’t really compare to Photoshop. Inkscape doesn’t work well against illustrator - the only open source artistic creation software I swear by is blender. Davinci resolve isnt bad compared to premier pro though - but not After Effects.
MS office isn’t great either (why does Ms word operate like it exists in a separate instance of reality that’s forever stuck in the 90s?!)
Microsoft captured the corporate world and compatibility with the off brand stuff is a huge issue
I feel like GIMP was a depraved person’s creative exercise in designing a UI and workflow as fucking shit as humanly possible and then leaving it like that for a couple of decades while continuing to develop the program.
But in reality I know it’s probably due to the complexities of maintaining such an old project with limited resources and volunteers and I’m grateful something like it even exists.
Masking is not nearly as easy to apply. It’s very quick to get smooth edges in your mask in Photoshop.
Photoshop now has a built in AI (Beta Version) to generate backgrounds or add things to your image.
In GIMP, you can only use one artboard (canvas) at a time. Photoshop can have multiple within one file
Photoshop can link directly to illustrator and can handle vectors, not just rasterized images.
Most of the scaling and filtering tools just tend to work better in Photoshop. Also The “Object Selection” tool in Photoshop is amazing. This doesn’t exist in GIMP.
Smart objects are nice too (Photoshop only) - makes it so you can edit one object and change it across multiple artboards + other functionality.
And one of my biggest issues, GIMP can’t edit pictures in CMYK - it’s a big work around just to try and export your sRGB image to CMYK in GIMP, but your colors will change.
Literally the only thing I like GIMP over Photoshop for is that it’s easier to add gradients with a transparency
Edit:
Oh and gimp is good at changing specific color hues quickly. But that’s all I’ve found
The one that got me recently when I tried Linux was mouse software. I couldn’t configure my mouse buttons even close to what I have on Windows (couldn’t use modifiers like shift or control on one mouse, to start), and it just felt bad.
nobody is jumping to Linux except developers and Linux users. ive used it every day for 20 years. it departments aren’t putting it on employee machines. your mom isn’t going to install it on her laptop that she uses to do her taxes and play the sims 3. it’s not ever going to happen because Linux isn’t software that’s meant to do that.
you’re not only naive if you think “the year of the linux desktop” is a real thing, you’re illogical and you’re probably an idiot. it doesn’t even make sense. reddit is so full of toilet optimism that it has no idea what’s going on.
You haven’t been paying attention. Literally the best selling item on Steam for nearly a year and a half was a Linux Gaming PC.
Linux is far more flexible than Windows. The nature of open source is what enables such flexibility. The only reason Linux hasn’t been adopted by many is simply because of the chicken and egg issue.
Microsoft and Apple had made a monopoly on the market for desktop computers, And since the desktop market share was so low for linux, few devs developed desktop software for Linux. Which then in turn kept Linux from gaining marketshare.
But the times are changing. Wine, Proton, Lutris and Multi-Platform web app tools have lead to a world where devs can simply just mindlessly go “oh yeah I guess we can enable linux builds/proton supported builds.” and just forget about it.
For example, lets say it was 2006 and Discord was just released in that time period. Instead of being a web app, they built a client that communicated using an API for Discord. Well, more than likely that official client was Windows and maybe MacOS exclusive. They built it from the ground up, and sure it has an API and sure a linux client may exist. But it would never be 1:1 with the official client.
This was the most likely thing to happen, and theres no way you can convince grandma to try Linux when all of her basic apps don’t work anymore.
Fast forward to 2023. Unless Grandma is using Adobe software, Linux will work fine. Chromebooks sold well for basic users afterall.
Also listen to all these comments about how “hurrr Linux desktop soon brother” No, it fucking isn’t. Burden of usage is too heavy for most people. You know what will happen though? People will buy more devices that use Linux over Windows, like the Steam Deck. The Steam Deck made Microsoft and other vendors outright PANIC and it accounts for a fraction of users.
Trouble is, to upgrade I’d need to do a mobo upgrade, and I’m not doing another mobo upgrade any time soon.
Windows 10 wasn’t great compared to 7, but I bit the bullet on that one because security updates are essential these days, and my workplace is microsoft-centric.
Windows 10s death is going to force a lot of poorer folks to consider alternatives - and let’s be honest, it’s going to be Linux. The majority of hardware out there in the world can’t run 11, let alone a proposed 12.
Windows 10s death is going to force a lot of poorer folks to consider alternatives - and let’s be honest, it’s going to be Linux. The majority of hardware out there in the world can’t run 11, let alone a proposed 12.
For the more technically strong people, I can see that happening but I very much doubt the general public would do that. They probably don’t even know what Linux is.
You make a good point - it wouldn’t be a landslide since Linux does form a comparatively small share of the market. However, with the hardware gating, might we not see more companies shifting, which could at least boost public knowledge of Linux?
Yeah less savvy people are going to do what they always do, just keep running their old system but now with even more vulnerabilities due to lack of security update availability.
My dad recently asked me to help with his laptop, which turned out to be running windows xp.
After a lot of hair pulliing I got it kind of working but am gonna give him an old windows 10 (upgraded from 7) laptop, but he’s probably going to be on that indefinitely.
I remember Microsoft saying that Windows 10 would be the last version they would ever release and everything moving forward would just be iteration and improvement. Knew that was a lie immediately.
Microsoft never said that. Its a myth that refuses to die. A single developer on a conference mentioned something as a sidenote, the press misinterpreted it and the internet took it and ran with it.
It goes back to Jerry Nixon, a Microsoft developer that said 2015 on the Microsoft Ignite conference in Chicago
“Right now we’re releasing Windows 10, and because Windows 10 is the last version of Windows, we’re all still working on Windows 10.”
and talking about “Windows as a service” in the future. That started this rumour. And the press went like “MICROSOFT DECLARED!..”. Just that it never did.
What Microsoft later said was
“Recent comments at Ignite about Windows 10 are reflective of the way Windows will be delivered as a service bringing new innovations and updates in an ongoing manner, with continuous value for our consumer and business customers,” … “We aren’t speaking to future branding at this time, but customers can be confident Windows 10 will remain up-to-date and power a variety of devices from PCs to phones to Surface Hub to HoloLens and Xbox. We look forward to a long future of Windows innovations.”
There was never a single word explicit saying that Windows 10 will be the last. Only that the future may be “as a Service”.
Wow yeah I can clearly see how it happened now, their wording wasn’t the best and then news outlets did what they do best and now we’re here, thank you this was really nice to read and learn!! Have a great evening!
Nah, I’m sticking with Win10. I wish I could’ve stayed with Win7. I have a huge backlog of games that will play great on Win10. Enough to last me for years (thanks steam sales.) And to be honest, I didn’t pay anything for my current Win os. I’m just tired of Microsoft drastically changing the os when they shouldn’t.
It’s perfectly fine to stay, just saying you don’t have to buy it haha. I bypassed the CPU restrictions to upgrade to win 11 because it had updates that I genuinely wanted, like tabs in file explorer etc. It’s genuinely fine, as long as you move that damn taskbar to the left
Man, I’m just going to say it… I’m sick of all the Linux people saying it’s the solution to all problems in computing. Can we not talk about anything else here on Lemmy? This article is about Windows.
Sorry but the answer is Linux. It’s got great support for devices and is open source. If adobe and a few other companies would port their software for Linux there’d honestly be no reason to use Windows or Mac except for a few that prefer it.
If bsd was more popular than the answer would be that. We just need to have an open source OS as the norm
mac is bsd in the same way android is linux. while technically true, they both diverged a lot from their base and most functions are now provided by closed-source software…
I’m strong on the Linux side and just swapped over my last PC from Windows. Long time it’s been needing it.
But I completely agree with you. 95% of consumers would most likely have difficulty just getting it installed. Basic usage, maybe a greater number could be fine using it but once something goes wrong, no one wants to use the terminal.
Well, someone could develop a new OS or a mainstream-friendly fork of Plan 9. The problem is literally over-reliance on privately-owned, proprietary software during an era where enshitification is the norm. GNU/Linux is the most mainstream-friendly OS that is not* proprietary.
*Some bits that are regularly used are obviously proprietary. See: RHEL
I don’t care who or where the problem or source is. I will buy the platform where Photoshop is used, and as a result it will likely inform every other decision about my daily driver. It’s really that simple.
You just need to realize that Adobe doesn’t release their stuff on Linux, not because it doesn’t allow them to, but Linux desktop market share is too small.
It’s a chicken and egg problem. Once Adobe would release their stuff, magically there would be a massive movement to improve HDR support, color accuracy etc.
And you need to realize Microsoft achieved such a giant market share thanks to illegal monopolistic practices in 90s, that still have huge impacts today.
100%. I’m very happy for the people in the Linux community who have collectively supported a free and open source operating system that is effectively as good or better than the two leading OSs with massive billion dollar corporations behind them. That’s unfathomably impressive, deserving of all this praise and, of course, should have wider adoption.
However
I’ve spent my entire life on Windows, my professional career on Mac OS, and the last dozen or so years with my phones running Android. I absolutely do not have the patience and free time to become fluent in another fucking operating system. And I’ve tried. On at least two occasions, I’ve attempted to run a media server on Linux. The experience was utterly fucking miserable and made me want to give up on technology and live in the woods. I have no doubt that I’d have a different outcome with better resources or more time to learn properly, but I’m done. Hopefully the successes of Linux drive change for the better in the other two. Linux doesn’t need 100% adoption to make an impact on the way Microsoft and Apple develop their own systems.
There is a lot to unpack, but you know exactly what they meant. The operating system people refer to as Linux or GNU/Linux or whatever is not the same thing as Android; if, under the hood, it has an older version of the Linux kernel. There is no command line required on an android phone for one.
Although, you are technically correct. The best kind.
There is no command line required on an android phone for one.
Generally not required on modern desktop distros either, unless you want to tinker or have poorly supported hardware. Package management, including kernel updates, binary drivers, etc. can all be done in the GUI.
Then again, I spend most of my time in the terminal because I like it.
Yes, it is. I used some derivation of microwave a long time ago on some forum or another, but it’s a common word so I threw it in Google Translate and started using this one other places.
I mean, this is platform which runs on Linux and embodies the same spirit which drives Linux forward - the collaborative power of opensource software. Is shouldn’t come as a surprise that there’s a heavy skew of Linux and opensource enthusiasts here. If you’re sick of all the Linux talk here, feel free to move to a propriety forum, perhaps one with a red alien logo.
This article is about Windows.
The article is about Window 10 becoming EOL, and given how many people are put off by Windows 11, suggesting Linux as an alternative is a reasonable comment, IMO. Feel free to argue otherwise if you feel so strong against it.
I join you on this. Nvidia support in Linux is shitty. I kept getting crash with it and proton on GPU intensives games. And you see the games running on and flawlessly… I regret picking a Nvidia card.
I’ve been using Nvidia cards for decades. They work perfectly fine and I’m able to play without a hitch. Sorry to hear about your experience but it’s not the norm.
Do you use a tower ? Maybe that the hybrid part (I mostly tried on différents laptop with primus) which never work for me. Or may be the games I play. I tried Warframe, star trek online and planetside2 and my computer freeze after some time. I tried to wait 30 minutes, nothing. I tried to get some dump, no errors… I dislike windows and I try to migrate regularly but I have to go back to windows.
I also use Nvidia GPUs on Windows. The thing is that They tend to have driver issues on Linux.
I’m also very disappointed with the closed architecture of their software, their recent price hiking in Europe and the fact that they stop supporting older GPUs
TL’DR. I don’t have a bad experience on Windows. At the same time it’s hard to switch to Linux, they dont have open source drivers and they don’t have long term support for their products by turning them obsolete through software
I’ve been using Windows 11 for a while now and honestly I don’t understand the hate. Who needs personalized functionality? Who needs to be able to move their bar from screen to screen? I do. I’m moving to Linux.
Well, looks like it may be time to try and see what Linux is all about. Any good recommendations for a relatively Out of the Box experience?
I mostly just browse the web and play games (both single player and multiplayer, mostly AAA but also the occasional indie). On occasion, I also like to do some video editing in Davinci Resolve.
Everyone will give you a different answer and honestly it’s all Linux, just find one that clicks with you and your workflow.
A couple recommendations are
fedora (workstation or KDE spin)
Open suse
Pop_OS
Vanilla OS (once 2.0 comes out of beta)
I’ve used all of these and they’re all decent. I ended up sticking with fedora just because I had to tweak it the least to get my workflow how I want it.
Garuda Linux. It’s based on Arch but has some extra features to make gaming and graphics setup easier. It also uses an installer so it’s pretty easy to setup.
Very user-friendly and has a straightforward installation process, also comes with strong NVIDIA graphics driver support out-of-the-box if you are using nvidia gpu. Another advantage is the Pop!_Shop, which is akin to an app store and makes software installation easy for newcomers. The GNOME-based user interface is also intuitive and somewhat similar to Windows, easing the transition.
I’m experimenting with Pop_OS on a laptop as my daily driver after playing with different distros in VM environments over the years. There’s definitely a learning curve, but so far so good.
I would switch to Linux anyway. Does any one knows if SOLIDWORKS and Rhino can work in Linux? I know Maya can, and I only use that as a pipeline to convert NURBS to polygon whenever it is needed.
Krita should get better selection tool for foreground extraction, and it would be very easy to forget Affinity/PS as filters are easier to make with C++ there. No plans to use GIMP, so don’t bring it up.
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