chitak166,

Everything moves at light speed.

crapwittyname,

With the possible exception of bad news, which obeys its own special laws

Thcdenton,
Treczoks,

Who would have thought that Doppler could apply to communication equipment, too! Shocking!

Next they are going to tell us that messages might take some time due to c!

dangblingus,

No shit.

Mandy,

Why dont they just get an astropath?

Chakravanti,

Because they’ve already got ansible.

1847953620,

trash site

TrickedPrivacy,
@TrickedPrivacy@lemmy.world avatar

Quantum Entanglement

nyandere,

Most people probably aren’t aware of it, but it’s a pretty neat (and creepy) read.

xia,
Underwaterbob,

“뭐?” = “What?” in Korean.

xia,

I tried to upload a GIF, but it auto-converted to a PNG. I don’t know if it is Lemmy or my client. You can see it here: getyarn.io/…/d68f9dba-3745-42d2-a68c-53296b79abed

Underwaterbob,

Ahh, that makes much more sense.

CADmonkey,

Jerry Pournelle’s “CoDominium” books work like this. The ships are FTL, but can only use the FTL drive at a certain point to leave a system. There isn’t a way to send messages faster than light, other than a ship. There is mention of “message sloops” which are small ships with high acceleration wich can move from the jump point to the inner system faster than one of the battleships.

Everythingispenguins,

Okay just a hot take here, but I don’t think this is the biggest barrier to interstellar travel.

CurlyMoustache,
@CurlyMoustache@lemmy.world avatar

The worst thing about interstellar travel: no internet

Tronn4,

Buddy can you imagine all the new alien pron in the new system though?

elfio,

Two possible solutions:

  1. No interstellar travel
  2. Selfhost everything
Tangent5280,

I once tried to set up a LAN game of Halo, and let me tell you I’m resigned to staying on earth.

intensely_human,

Earth is a massive obstacle to network communication. Move to an o’neill cylinder and never have latency again

Tangent5280,

Are you suggesting I lead humanity into a golden interstellar post-scarcity future so that I can play halo without lag?

RebekahWSD,
@RebekahWSD@lemmy.world avatar

It is your solemn duty!

intensely_human,

The best way to play Halo without lag is to make contact with the Covenant. So yeah, to space!

CurlyMoustache,
@CurlyMoustache@lemmy.world avatar

The goal of interstellar travel must be to reduce the ping to 0

linearchaos,
@linearchaos@lemmy.world avatar

Maybe by that point we’ll have actual AI.

astropenguin5,

Also, I don’t think this is anything particularly new. It’s pretty logical of you think about it for a few minutes.

iAvicenna,

I mean space is pretty empty yea but I feel like it would be a pain in the ass to prevent a ship travelling at light speed from bumping into small to mid sized space debris. On the other hand, I am imagining with this much drive on energy techs we will be at some point able to come up with a solution to the energy requirement to power such a vessel.

magikmw,

Honestly this seems like a future me problem.

echodot,

It might become like the days of sail. The fastest mode of communication might actually be the speed of ships. In order to get a message between earth and alpha centauri you might have to actually build messenger ships.

You might have to build small automated FTL capable ships with massive data storage capacity and then download all of the data you need to send and then set the ship off on its way.

kattenluik,

I was hoping the days of sail would be some kind of cool Sci-Fi movie or series.

ma11en,

Data storage ships is a thing in Beacon 23.

JDubbleu,

Never underestimate the bandwidth of a spaceship full of tapes hurtling through the cosmos.

intensely_human,

Indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has

Tangent5280,

Star Citizen has a ship like that. A cabin strapped onto the largest engine that wouldn’t kill you, with data storage added almost like an afterthought.

Well, star citizen has a ship like that - it doesnt have any gameplay loops that make use of that though.

WHYAREWEALLCAPS,

The futuristic version of never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway.

subspaceinterferents,
@subspaceinterferents@lemmy.world avatar

Subspace interference.

nxdefiant,

Tachyons.

heh, just noticed your username. Excellent 👌

WindowsEnjoyer,

It’s time for a CAKE queue management algorithm with…ahem…interplanetary RTT scheme!

ExLisper,

That’s what ansible is for, right?

Tangent5280,

Enders Game reference?

ExLisper,

It sure is.

Tangent5280,

The enemy’s gate is down.

ccdfa,

Booo. Orson Scott Card took that term from Ursula K. Le Guin.

DAMunzy,

I agree, boo to him but I did like that book

Tangent5280,

wait, what term? “Ansible”?

ccdfa,

Yeah

Gregorech,

Have they never watched Star Trek, subspace relays people.

Buddahriffic,

What exactly is subspace anyways?

smeenz,

Subspace is what the warp bubble moves through

Buddahriffic,

Ok, then it’s fictional. The theoretical warp drive that is consistent with Einstein’s field equations moves through normal space but just warps it in a way that it effectively moves faster than light (while locally obeying the light speed limit).

Though that still requires something with negative mass or gravity (I was very disappointed when they confirmed antimatter has normal gravity, I was hoping the theory was wrong on that).

arin,

There’s still dark energy and dark matter that are kinda odd

Buddahriffic,

There is the idea that everything is shrinking instead of space expanding, which resolves the dark energy question.

Gregorech,

Space is like a rainbow, subspace is equal to ultraviolet and hyperspace is infrared. At least inmy head cannon.

Telodzrum,

It’s a different part of the universe, separate from normal space where things like baryonic matter exists. In subspace certain of our universe’s fundamental rules as seen in normal space don’t apply or constants are different.

Buddahriffic,

How much of this is based on reality and how much is based on Star Trek wanting a mechanism to be able to communicate between star fleet and the Enterprise?

Telodzrum,

I think entirely Star Trek on this one. Although, if we ever want to move* faster than light, it’ll almost certainly require a science or an understanding of nature which we don’t even have theoretical concepts of in 2023.

Hamartiogonic,
@Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz avatar

We use ions for a bunch of stuff like Li-ion batteries and various other chemical engineering marvels on a daily basis. I wonder how new is the idea of ions anyway?

Wikipedia has this to say: “Svante Arrhenius put forth, in his 1884 dissertation, the explanation of the fact that solid crystalline salts dissociate into paired charged particles when dissolved, for which he would win the 1903 Nobel Prize in Chemistry. Arrhenius’ explanation was that in forming a solution, the salt dissociates into Faraday’s ions, he proposed that ions formed even in the absence of an electric current.”

We’ve built so much on top an idea that’s only about 139 years old. Before that, it must have been pretty difficult or even impossible to explain large parts of chemistry we use every day.

I wonder how would you imagine the future of chemistry in the early 1800s? Could you imagine that nowadays we leach gold from a mineral that doesn’t even look golden at all? Could you imagine that we can pull aluminium from rocks that don’t even look metallic in any way? Could you imagine that we use it to build all sorts of things like cans, door frames and airplanes? What about surface coating of materials to give them corrosion resistance, different colors or scratch resistance. In the past 139 years we’ve done all sorts of absolutely wild things with ions.

If you start studying chemistry in 2023 you’ll probably hear about ions during the first lecture and later you’ll build all sorts of wonderful things on that bit of information.

Telodzrum,

Thanks for this. I have similar thoughts as to some people’s definitiveness about our understanding of the universe and its speed limit.

Hamartiogonic,
@Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz avatar

The thing is, we don’t know is the speed limit is a hard problem.

Maybe will struggle with it for centuries or maybe we’ll find a way to avoid the problem within the next 130 years. Maybe we’ll find a way to bend space so that you don’t really need to travel very fast. Maybe wormholes become a viable option. Maybe we’ll build hyperspace gates or something like that.

Or maybe none of that is viable and a thousand years later we’re still struggling with the speed of light wishing there was a way around it.

At some point, microbes and immunology were a complete mystery. People dying after surgery was a hard problem and nobody knew how to fix that. Turns it, all you need is ethanol and penicillin, but we couldn’t even imagine it at the time.

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