I don’t see why anyone would be still trying, other than perhaps mods of major communities who want to hold on to their power or prominence. For typical users, who cares. It’s like knocking and knocking on the door of an ex-friend who kicked you out of their house. Just go somewhere else.
seriously, I was most active in those communities. Lemmy/Kbin are great for general info with comments that I mainly used reddit for, but the smaller communities with OC and memes that only those 50k people understood is gonna be fucking hard to recreate here.
A lot of mods are community founders. They care about their community, not reddit. Reddits just a middleman getting in the way.
Imagine a group of friends. Reddit is the friend with the best house for parties, but is kinda a dick. The mods are the social ones that brought this friend group together in the first place. Reddit is being stupid and making dumb rules that mostly hurt the mod. The mod is trying to either get reddit to relax the rules OR convince the rest of the friends to leave. Truthfully the friends should leave, but reddits house is so nice and they're comfortable. The mod could leave, but they're afraid all that will result in is losing their entire friend group. The whole situation sucks all around.
Thanks, that's a more precise analogy. Definitely we were never metaphorically 'friends'with reddit - the best times on the site have been when I didn't really know who was running it or care and they just stayed out of everyone's way.
I can see why mods of any size would want to preserve their existing community, because it's true that most people won't migrate together. With reddit's attitude it seems hopeless at this point to me, though. Perhaps if they had a change of leadership, but it seems likely to only get worse if they IPO and are further corporatized.
Nosleep for instance...I can see them being in a tight spot...it's such a niche community and honestly a fairly important one...I at least have 4 physical books I've purchased from authors. It's such a great launch pad. I feel bad that I'll really not be spending hours there at all anymore
I'm going to predict that at the 11th hour they walk back the pricing to a reasonable number, as it attempt to 1) save face and 2) to be able to point to their investors and the media that they tried negotiating.
Yeah, I think that's a possible way that this goes down. I also think that if they did that it'd be a mistake. I think Apollo, RIF, and the other 3rd party apps are gone. Even if reddit announced yesterday that they were going to keep the API free, let alone negotiate a middle ground, I think 3rd party apps are gone and not coming back. On the 3rd party level I don't even really think it's the cash grab that's the problem, it's the lack of communication and trust. Even if reddit were to bend over backwards to try to keep them, I don't think there's anything they can do to make up for the lack of trust this has created in reddit's leadership. Same thing goes for the mods. The mods are arguably reddits most important users. They make the site usable for everyone else and if reddit was ever to become profitable I think the people spez would have to thank for that would be the mods who made the spaces that people wanted to come be a part of. They can't trust reddits leadership either. It doesn't matter what shiny new toys reddit may try to roll out to make their job easier, it doesn't matter what exceptions they try to carve into their new API policy. Common thread here is noone wants to sink their time into something that might change as fast as reddit has shown it can. Being a 3rd party dev or a mod takes a lot of time out of your day. Faced with the choice of leaving or laboring for a company that clearly doesn't respect the value you add to their service I think that most would choose to flee the sinking ship.
I think there are other motivations which will bring devs and mods back to reddit. Devs like the large user base and frankly I have no idea what motivates the volunteer mods other than a misguided sense of purpose.
Stop dreaming! Don't get me wrong, I wish you're right, but they've been too stubborn for too long to change course now. They'll appear weak and loose the faih and support of their investors.
On top of all that, the corporate side of reddit want to gain control of the community. The way I think they see it is that it's not a good thing that "mods work for free moderating their forums". They do not have control of their own platform, and I believe that this doesn't go down with investors - if I'm dumping my own money into a company, I want to feel confident that the company is moving in the right direction and they have the necessary controls to do so. Many of us will agree that that is what is unique about reddit and why we love it, but when you introcude investors, business and profits, you need to be able to control your own company to be able to make profit.
Yes, there are subtle ways to control the reddit community whilst still giving the impression that it's free and fair (like what they did with the woman ceo a few years ago, remember?) , but really, all this bad press with the apis is stemming from reddit as a company not being able to control it's own platform. Twitter did exactly the same thing and I for one hadn't even noticed.
I've been pleasantly surprised by the number of people who are continuing to stick with it + be supportive. I didn't expect anything beyond the planned end of the blackout, although I didn't expect thousands of subreddits to participate in that either. Either way I've basically cut Reddit out entirely. I used to scroll 2-3hrs a day and I'm down to maybe 10 minutes once or twice a week when I'm trying to find an answer to something. Attempting to fill my newfound free time has been.. fun
It's annoying that so much of my search results rely on community discussions from reddit. I've pretty much ditched the site entirely and am getting pretty comfy here, but a lot of historical discussions on reddit simply can't be replaced and likely never will be.
I haven't been on Reddit since June 11th at 9:30pm central time. That's when the first of my subbed reddits went dark. I deleted rif, and haven't been back. I've just been wasting time here, instead!
same here. still need to learn my way around, but overall it's very promising. I've not checked Reddit since the beginning of the blackout, however i might do it for some very niche subs. hopefully I'll find alternatives.
Weirdly enough it got me more engaged with social media. In the sense that now I'm posting and talking with people on lemmy and mastodon more than I ever did on reddit. Weird how a place can get so popular it stops being a real community after a while
I don't know that it has me engaging more but it feels more fun and meaningful now. Reddit had turned into man yells into the void for me. Now I feel like I'm talking to real people again on Lemmy. It's such a relief honestly.
I think the strange part is feeling obligated to interact more. I'll upvote more than I did on Reddit. I post more than I did on Reddit. The goal seems clear, to make this place feel inhabited. The more bustling it feels, the bustling it will become.
The other aspect is moderating communities. I'm not a mod, or at least I wasn't. But Lemmy lacks the breadth of oddly specific comms, and if I intend to eventually doom scroll again, modding a niche comm is a good start.
Reddit will still be around for a good long while after this I'm guessing, unless the IPO offering goes completely tits up, it may be a long, slow decline, or none at all even. However, just given their attitude in all of this, they'll likely be pushing people away on a regular basis with even more bad decisions until they it hits a critical mass and people just migrate to the new popular site/app. Whether it's Lemmy or Tildes or Mastodon or whatever, another platform will likely take the crown from them.
Given that reddit is making it difficult for users to delete posts and comments [1]. I wonder if it will make it more difficult for them if instead of deleting the comments and posts, but we flood the posts and comments with garbage edits.
Something like this could be easily scripted out. Could use browser automation if you don't want to use the reddit api.
If they truly have the ability to roll back deleted AND edits on a post and comment level, then flooding the change history log with garbage edits will cause them to hemorrhage money in terms of cold storage (ie, Amazon S3) and database size.
They can't be infinitely storing all of the edit history. So at some point they have to purge the oldest commits at which point makes it equivalent to deletion of original post, except now they are keeping garbage and paying to keep that garbage stored. Have fun running your LLM on that junk.
Something like this:
original comment: "Some thoughtful comment here"
1st edit: <edited to hit max comment length with garbage content, maybe "lorem ipsom" placeholder stuff>
2nd edit:
3rd edit:
nth edit: ...
Again, this assumes they are even keeping the edit history. Would be nice if we can get insider information from a reddit backend engineer to confirm.
I left...reddit honestly seems clunky now...I go back to watch it burn but it's not burning enough :( maybe instead of John Oliver they should be posting dragons or something jeez
It took many years for reddit to take off to become a huge player on the internet. Digg, Twitter, and myspace where the big players in 2005 to 2010. Then people started to move to Facebook, Snapchat, and Reddit as they became more popular. It only a matter of time until Mastodon, Lemmy and other federated platforms take over. Especially if the community keeps growing and spreading the word.
Yeah does it seems like decentralized (federated or otherwise) systems will be the future of social media. There's lemmy (only four years old, the most popular I'd say), bluesky (another federated system), and plebbit (peer to peer, uses ipfs) to highlight a few. So there seemsto be a lot of exploration in this space.
I think reddit will be around for quite some time, but it'll never be the same, and die a slow death.
There's no way they can IPO with under the current circumstances. They'll not be able to strong-arm the volunteers into submission. I'm thinking there's a deadline, they'll drop spez and sell the company off to some place that gives a crap.
They'll sell the company off to some place that will give less of a crap and will need to monetize even more to recoup their investment. It will become Deaddit.
Reddit was once a beautiful thing, I hope a way can be found for it to remain so. But this seems like a much nicer place now, more like the Reddit of old. So unfortunately, Deaddit seems like the only moniker that fits now.
Kinda sorta hope we can federate in reddit's history at some point, like a static instance and move on. I've pretty much jumped ship, but no point in denying there's a history there.
While Greece is still relevant today, its ancient history is what people look to. So long as Reddit continues to exist in search results, it will serve a similar purpose.
The problem with your analogy is that swaths of Reddit's knowledge is intentionally being overwritten by its posters. There's no guarantee that indexed search results won't link to a comment that just says "Fuck /u/spez".
Let's be real. That probably happened with ancient civilizations like Greece and Rome too lol in fact there are some d ocumentaries that point out just that, with Graves being defaced with.. unkind words haha very uncouth and graffiti all over temples that are anti certain statesmen of the time etc
this is what I fear, this is probably a hot take but I hope reddit might as well make it possible to see the first iteration of a comment, genuinely useful for knowledge subreddit
Reddit has, throughout the years, said that they don't keep a revision history of comments, only the text from the most recent comment and flags like "deleted", "edited", "removed by mods" etc.
Of course, they could be lying, but a lot of these things were said before the recent drama and there's no real reason to doubt.
I suppose one could go dig up the old open-sourced code from like 2017 and see how comments and posts were stored then, and hope in the intervening years they hadn't altered it?
Don’t go back. Even if Reddit makes concessions, the CEO has shown that he will do whatever he wants and doesn’t give a crap about the users of Reddit, you know, the people who actually make him money. Any site controlled by a CEO is at risk of this happening.
Not just shit controlled by a CEO, literally anything for-profit. For-profit software does not care about your experience. It cares about gouging as much money as it can from you. Open source software, the antithesis, is made for and by the people. It's there to be as useful and enjoyable as possible. Open source software has nothing to gain from forcing you to jump through hoops, unlike for-profit software. They put the hoops in place, then force you to pay them to fix the problem they deliberately caused.
And it's not like open software can't make money. Donations have shown time and time again to be enough for software and servers good enough to deserve them. See lichess.org for a wonderful example of an open platform that even https://lichess.org/ads advertising openly, and yet survives just fine on donations. The problem is the for-profit income model.
I think it might be because there is no "this is a Lemmy domain" in the HTML header and thus the Jebora Dev needs to register every website it can open manually and separately.
I'm glad people aren't backing down, whether you left Reddit entirely for Lemmy like I have or keep trying to start fires over there, it all hurts Reddit's IPO.
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