sturmblast,

Welcome to the death spiral

vinyl,

OPs title is misleading, there’s a difference between free speech as in expressing your free speech and the one that OP is referring to is complaining about paying to express your free speech.

njm1314,

That’s not misleading, that’s sarcasm.

vinyl,

Yes! sarcasm that implies on what I already said.

meliaesc,

But no one is being misled, it’s very obvious sarcasm.

shaytan,
@shaytan@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I’m not a fan of him, nor a twitter user, but as far as free speech is concerned, that should mean your opinion is not censored, but the platform doesn’t have to be free to use, but if it doesn’t discriminate opinions, and everyone is allowed to make an account, and everyone has to pay the same

That’s equal treatment, and isn’t going against free speech.

alekwithak,

None of that was ever true for Twitter, anyway. It wasn’t true before Musk bought it and it’s only got worse.

Harbinger01173430,

Meanwhile, the neuralink patient zero gave a beautiful presentation of what has been happening with that project and it isn’t news because it goes against the Elon Bad narrative

reverendsteveii,

If you’d stop attempting to play victim on Musk’s behalf long enough to google it, you’d see that that’s actually getting plenty of coverage.

https://lemm.ee/pictrs/image/0e1a0c1e-bab9-449e-8209-bb73f03d1527.webp

Harbinger01173430,

Who the heck uses those obscure sites? U am thinking about YouTube and stuffs.

Starkstruck,

Bro did not just call Reuters, BBC, and WSJ ‘obscure’ 💀.

Harbinger01173430,

The First one sounds like some Ponzi scheme company, the second one, like porn stuff and the third onez like social justice warrior. Me no trust.

arunshah240,
@arunshah240@lemmy.world avatar

Good news for X alternative Social Media, if pay to post for X I’m exit form X.

Sam_Bass, (edited )

Would not give him 56 cents

psmgx,

That’s 56 too much

p5yk0t1km1r4ge,
@p5yk0t1km1r4ge@lemmy.world avatar

Lol I’m not paying shit, have fun everybody else. X is garbage

hahattpro,

yeah, I think he is doing it now. Because if you dont boost, unlikely anyone will see what you tweet.

Linkerbaan,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

Didn’t he say this like 5 times already

3volver,

Anyone who still uses Twitter/X is an actual fucking moron.

vinyl,

Very aggressive, I use Twitter for porn, I don’t know how that’s any more moronic than using any other platform that hosts porn.

menemen,
@menemen@lemmy.world avatar

True to a degee, but too many international journalists still depend on that plattform. Makes it hard to ditch it completly, until finally one of the alternatives really pick up.

3volver,

International journalists should know better than to use a centralized platform to share information.

citrusface,

Mastodon is picking up steam - it’s only a matter of time

menemen,
@menemen@lemmy.world avatar

Let’s hope. But they have to change the way that likes are shown. It always feels lonely over there.

lostarc,

Exactly, their system makes it feel like no one exists there 😂

Ellecram,

Never used it. Never plan to do so.

drmoose,

I work in bot protection and it’s a sound idea but doesn’t really work in practice. As long as there’s more than 1$ of value to be gained it’s worth it for the bot makers.

This also makes it so that botting is only accesible to select few actors that have the required resources i.e. russian troll farms or large bot networks from china, in turn this increases their value. This is very good for them.

Reality is that the only way to stop bots is to constantly change up the detection system. This is called a “cat and mouse” sort of problem and it really is the only way to do it. The attacker always has to catch up and it can be trivial that takes them couple of hours to do but it also reveals behavior patterns for marking bot accounts. This actually works really well in practice but requires a lot of dev resources and many companies low-key like bots which is another thread entirely.

jeffw,

Bot protection? Call me ignorant but what exactly do you do?

drmoose,

develop systems that can identify unwanted users like bots, spammers, people who abuse the product and break ToS etc. Most bad actors are very dumb but fighting this at scale is actually very interesting. Also most bots (like 90%) are just scrapers (data collectors) especially when it comes to Twitter which has absurd API pricings but cost almost nothing to scrape lol

jeffw,

Oh my god I’m a fuckin idiot. Granted, I’ve had a couple drinks tonight but I thought you were protecting bots… not protecting against them lol

drmoose,

yeah sorry “protection against bots” just doesn’t roll of the tongue as easily lol

pirat,

Protect the bots!!!

helpme,

people who abuse the product and break TOS

You’re welcome.

drmoose,

Hey man it gets me employed and I even get to work on foss on work hours sometimes. Thanks! :)

psmgx,

This also makes it so that botting is only accesible to select few actors that have the required resources i.e. russian troll farms or large bot networks from china, in turn this increases their value. This is very good for them.

I’d bet that is explicitly part of the funding model. Pay to influence consensus, cuz this is a publicly traded stock and numbers need to go up, regardless of who is paying.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Twitter is private. Musk took it private when he bought it.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

As long as there’s more than 1$ of value to be gained it’s worth it for the bot makers.

That’s what I was coming in here to suggest, so I’m glad someone in the field was able to back that idea up. I think it’s unlikely many bots that aren’t made for fun are being put on Twitter unless they are generating a lot more than $1 for whoever is putting them up.

hanekam,

I’ll ask anyway. Why do companies like bots?

psmgx,

More eyeballs.

Enough updoots or retweets and other algos pick up on it. Some random twitter discussion ends up on BuzzFeed, YTers start making influencer vids, and Reddit / Lemmy repost bots.

Do this enough and it’ll gain traction. Now everyone is talking about your stupid fuckin Stanley mug, corporate rumor,or political talking point.

And this can be automated end to end, 24/7, by market and keyword, will real time feedback as to how well it’s doing via upvotes, shares, likes, or even data mining emails and convos via Gmail or WhatsApp.

kungen,

Perpetual growth/engagement statistics?

hanekam,

How true is the dead internet theory, in your view?

pirat,

Er du måske en robot??

hanekam,

Nei, jeg er kjøtt og blod og stål og smøreolje som deg

pirat,

Hmm, jeg tror desværre jeg består af et 100% syntetisk keramisk bomuldsprodukt…

drmoose,

As Kungen already answered - stats! You can sell bot traffic as real traffic which inflates your numbers.

For stuff like social media, bots increase engagement too. Many new products and networks actually generate a lot of fake content to attract organic growth. I.e. if bot likes your comment you’re likely to engage more. If it likes your product review you’re likely to review more stuff etc.

Tracking bots can also generate reverse analytics. For example if you know that your competitors are scraping fishing equipment data from your store it could mean they’re working on a competing fishing related product.

Lastly, you can feed fake data to bots to manipulate competitors. This is somewhat illegal (no real legal precedent yet afaik though its a clear intent to harm other businesses) but it can really powerful in the wrong hands.

Edit: worth nothing that a lot of bot traffic is good. Sometimes you want to be scraped as it is a form of organic engagement and increases the value of your data and often backlinks growth (e.g. indexers like Google etc)

McDropout,
@McDropout@lemmy.world avatar

Yes only Russia and China do bad things with technology!

drmoose,

Never had to deal with attacks originating from US or Europe so thats kinda true actually :)

McDropout,
@McDropout@lemmy.world avatar

Go to r/worldnews and r/europe on reddit

The amount of bots is….

drmoose,

Are these new users in the room with us? lmao

Treczoks,

Well, one more reason to ignore that platform on it’s way to obsolescence.

set_secret,

WHY THE FUCK IS ANYONE ON TWITTER ANYMORE.

maniclucky,

Porn

psmgx,

There are so, so, so many other platforms for that, and many are far better

maniclucky,

Absolutely. I’ll poke my head in there when there’s someone on insta who I’m curious to see if they get naked on Twitter. And that’s 100% of my interaction.

vinyl,

And I agree I use mastodon, e621, pornhub, etc.

But when I want to see more of that one particular content creator that is only on Twitter, then I’ll utilize Twitter, it’s pretty simple.

zarkanian,
@zarkanian@sh.itjust.works avatar

For some (few) users, it’s required for work. The rest are addicts or Musk fans.

drmoose,

I went to check it out yesterday and I think I actually got dumber in 5 minutes I spent there.

Klear,

So you’ll be returning there tomorrow?

drmoose,

lol I actually never liked Twitter even when I was an early adopter but I’m only interested in it as a professional case study. I do like Mastodon a lot though and so I get the appeal of Twitter done right!

HawlSera,

Find any good witch hunts? We cancelling Markiplier because he totally blinked a desire to oppress women and minorities in morse code? That sounds like Twitter

Fades,

Wrong year for that propaganda

Elon’s Twitter has no interest in canceling anyone for the “oppression of women”, whether it’s true or not

HawlSera,

Not really propaganda when it’s STILL a common problem for the internet to go on witch hunts against people for “Grooming” and other such thigns based on the flimsiest of evidence, sometimes continuing to do so even after the person was proven innocent.

DragonTypeWyvern,

I think they were going for a “it’s always been trash” angle

HawlSera,

Indeed (Although there are still plenty of internet witch hunts…)

ZILtoid1991,

It has a “chicken or egg” problem. There are better alternatives, except many don’t use them because their userbase is still on Xitter, and said userbase don’t want to move away from Xitter because their faves are still there. I deleted it from my phone, but I keep my account in case I need to look up something there, or to not get my identity stolen and exploited.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Don’t discount the FOMO factor as well. It’s what kept me on Reddit.

sparkle,

twitter has fomo?

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Absolutely. Journalists post the latest news. Stuff they don’t report on trends. Maybe you’ll miss something big if you leave Twitter! That’s the thinking anyway.

Natanael,

Bluesky has limited federation active already, planning to enable full federation soon (they want mod tooling to be more robust before they do)

Pretty nice place. The user configurable moderation system with 3rd party labeler services and more is quite cool and it’s working even better than hoped (but we’ll need to see how it scales)

PanArab,

There’s a bridge in development -not associated with the project- that should bridge @Protocol and ActivityPub.

rsuri,

“Unfortunately, a small fee for new user write access is the only way to curb the relentless onslaught of bots,” Musk wrote on X.

…that makes no sense. By “bots” usually we mean accounts that advertise one thing or another to make money. And if there’s any cause worth paying money for, it’s making more money. But some sports fan or BTS stan or whatever just wanting to cheer on their thing is just gonna stop posting.

Treczoks,

Well, you can invest money to get rid of bots, or you can try to make money to get rid of bots. He tries the latter, and will kill the platform doing that.

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