jens,
@jens@social.finkhaeuser.de avatar

I think with the recent news about it's worth pointing out the existences of again.

https://fedipact.online/

I'm late to the party, I know. But I haven't actually seen it on my timeline, much to my surprise.

lvk,
@lvk@mastodon.online avatar

@jens naive question: what could go wrong with corporations using activitypub?
Perhaps the real issue is corporations having unrestricted power on opensource/w3c/workingroups?

jens,
@jens@social.finkhaeuser.de avatar

@lvk It's just inertia that's the problem.

AP isn't a particularly well defined protocol. It's easy to extend, so people do. There is less consensus building on extensions than one would like, and that's without a major player in the field.

Add a corporation which can throw more dev power at this protocol from their stationary budget than the entirety of FOSS, and who represents the majority of users, and you know that every extension they make will be de facto standard, even if it's...

jens,
@jens@social.finkhaeuser.de avatar

@lvk ... never formalized.

The HTML5 vs XHTML thing was a stark lesson in that. XHTML 2 was finished, but blocked from adoption by Google. Well, Chrome engineers.

They pushed for HTML5 instead, a "living" standard which can be extended without adjusting the core docs.

That means whoever can field the most working groups now can build standards for the web. And whoever can field the most engineers to implement them legitimizes them. Both just so happens to be Google.

jens,
@jens@social.finkhaeuser.de avatar

@lvk AP with its extensibility is the same kind of tech. It practically invites the same kind of dynamics. But it's legitimized by the core specs being developed beforehand, by independent folk, and standardized by w3c.

A few short years from now, Meta will set the de facto standards, and no app other than Threads will implement them. Maybe they'll prop up mastodon foe antitrust reasons, much like Google does with Mozilla. Gargron at least seems game

cuchaz,
@cuchaz@gladtech.social avatar

@jens you may also be interested in a simple way to block Facebook at the firewall level.

https://gladtech.social/@cuchaz/110571392398544811

It's not a perfect defense, but it's the best one I know of so far.

jens,
@jens@social.finkhaeuser.de avatar

@cuchaz I do think that's a better kind of block, actually, but I think it should be part of fedi servers' configuration to have "wildcard blocks".

I filed this issue in May, which unfortunately hasn't had much of a response yet:

https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/issues/25141

cuchaz,
@cuchaz@gladtech.social avatar

@jens Holy cow! With that many open issues, I don't think they're doing much triage even. I suspect that issues list may be a graveyard where ideas go to die.

jens,
@jens@social.finkhaeuser.de avatar

@cuchaz Most likely. This is probably the main issue with Mastodon, they're pretty much going under from the workload they have.

jules,

@jens was sind die Bedenken wenn das Fediverse sich doch technisch bedingt nicht durch Großkonzerne übernehmen und zerstören lässt?

jens,
@jens@social.finkhaeuser.de avatar

@jules 1. Alles, was Du mit einem Threads-Konto teilst, wird von Meta durchsucht werden (können), auch DMs.

  1. Da Meta historisch schlecht moderiert, ist es eine Instanz wie jede andere, auf der schlecht moderiert wird.

Man hat bspw. im öffentlichen Teil des Codes tags für content gefunden, die etwas als "nazi" klassifizieren, aber nichts, was solche Inhalte unterbinden würde.

Das klingt etwa so vertrauenswürdig wie gleasonator.

jules,

@jens verstanden. Indirekt erfährt dann Meta natürlich auch alles über mich mit meinem "mastodon-only" account, auch wenn ich keinen account bei Meta habe, dennoch mit Thread-accounts interagiere.

Und das dilemma wird sicher nicht besser, wenn man, sofern man wert drauflegt mit seiner instanz den X-quittern ein neues zuhause zu geben (die aber unbedingt mit großen, famous people accounts bei Threads interagieren wollen), wegen der grottigen moderation bei Threads dann diese vllt sogar blocken wollen würde.

jens,
@jens@social.finkhaeuser.de avatar

@jules Ja, wobei das auch durch web crawling passieren könnte, zumindest teilweise.

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