It is absolutely bizarre to me, that we as a society will be taking away the freedom of select women and locking them away with actual criminals simply because they chose to act on their right to bodily autonomy.
Just like the war on drugs. We locked up so many people for smoking a joint or having a speck of cocaine on them. As if these are the people who are a danger to society (most of the time).
While there is a place for it, my issue with saying misogyny in this context is that it’s a vague, loaded and nebulous term that people project their own meanings to and detracts from the nuances of the reasons that lead women to support anti abortion legislation in the first place. I don’t think the sociological forces can simply be explained away by saying its misogyny, there are women that sincerely believe abortions are unethical.
It’s not the belief that abortions are unethical that is misogynistic. It’s the belief that your ethics on abortion give you the right to take away another person’s right to make decisions about their body based on THEIR ethics, because they are women.
Don’t believe me? Imagine a law that forces every healthy person to donate blood. Why does that sound ridiculous when the risks of blood donation are far less, and the number of lives it could save far higher? Or donating a kidney, which carries similar risk-per-life?
The answer: because it wouldn’t only be women affected.
You can weave together theory all day, the fact is that the average voters won’t even care to understand. Much less if you go up to women who support anti abortion legislation and start calling them misogynist, they look at the world through a completely different lense, and they will not take anything you have to say seriously.
Who cares? It doesn’t make what you have to say wrong, and right now, no one can be convinced to change their mind on anything, so what’s ultimately more important is
Being right
Acting on your own or with like-minded people to solve the problem instead of wasting time trying to move an unmoveable object
And then they assume an exception has or will be there for them because theirs is morally justified because they’re good people, and everyone else is a sinner.
Court documents in the case revealed that Facebook’s parent company Meta supplied police with the private Facebook messages that Celeste and Jessica Burgess had sent one another.
“Celeste Burgess was released from Madison county jail earlier this month, after serving a little more than half of her 90-day sentence, local Nebraska news outlet KTIV reported. At her sentencing, Celeste Burgess said that her family could not have afforded a funeral for fetal remains, according to Courthouse News. (In a financial affidavit obtained by Vice, Jessica Burgess said she had $400 to her name.) Celeste Burgess also reportedly deals with multiple mental health issues and became pregnant due to an abusive relationship.
Jessica Burgess was set to undergo a court-ordered psychological evaluation ahead of her sentencing. But the evaluation was canceled due to lack of funding, according to KTIV.”
“Lack of Funding” is something I read far too often for this economy.
Wealth hoarding is going to cast the rest of us into abject poverty, and we can’t really do anything about it. We live in a dystopian political drama, and it fucking BLOWS
They can skip psychological evaluations ordered by a court to ensure justice is done because the state doesn’t have enough money, but if you’re a poor woman who can’t afford a funeral for something that was never a person, get fucked and go to prison.
It seemed like society was slowly but surely moving forward overall then 2016 happened and everything went to shit. Just like everyone paying even a tiny amount of attention knew it would. Fuck this is sad.
Well after 20 weeks. Well after five months. Is it still a “clump of cells” at 20 weeks?
These two women would likely be in prison anywhere in Europe which tends to have shorter term limits on abortion.
Also lol at ending the article by decrying the fact Nebraska now imposes a 12 week ban. The same as that famous anti-woman regressive Gilead-esque shithole Germany.
These two women would have been able to access abortion services much earlier in the pregnancy, if they were in Europe instead of Oklahoma. This case is the kind of thing that restricting access to legal abortion early in pregnancies causes. This is the fault of the Oklahoma abortion bans
This shiti article gets reposted to rile up people but people actually read it and see the facts, they realize that click bait title is hardly supported by the facts.
Didn't they also dispose of the remains in some unsavory way?
The abortion debate in the US is psychotic. On one end you have prolifers that want to ban Plan B and some would definitely like to ban contraceptives too.
On the other end you have rabid prochoicers who support the idea that abortion should be an elective procedure with (almost) no limits.
Whereas, in most of Europe, we seem to have figured it out. Set a sensible limit somewhere around 12-14 weeks, allow a lot exceptions when the mother’s health in threatened or for cases of rape and incest, and that’s it. It works.
But, something else is at play here, which is that many extreme feminists don’t want any kind of equality but power. The demand to be able to terminate a pregnancy with no limits is a demand to be solely in control of human reproduction.
Look, at the end of the day, you chose to have sex, you chose to take on the possible consequences of having sex. In today’s modern world you have contraceptives, you have the Plan B pill. And you have sensible limit abortion of up to 14 weeks.
All of these are just convenient “get out of jail free cards” but it’s really up to a woman to not let just anyone rawdog her pussy.
I’m sorry but society can’t be organised solely around the idea of allowing every woman to avoid the consequences of her actions every time. Past a certain point (around 15 weeks) the fetus is no longer a clump of cells but a living being that does and should have have rights.
Along with every else woke idiot, you are retarded. Where did I say I want to make contraception illegal? How does making contraception illegal make sense given that I support abortions up to 14 weeks?
You are retarded. When someone disagrees with you even 1% you run a whole mental script in your head: oh they disagree with X therefore they also want to Y and Z and Q therefore they’re a Nazi.
You are retarded. You don’t have any reading comprehension.
You are retarded. You’re incapable of grasping nuance.
Ableism, projection. I didn’t say “you,” because you clearly said contraceptives are available. Yet you inserted words in my post, ran a mental script and vomited ignorance and vitriol.
Oh fuck you, stop lying. The vast majority of Americans agree on reasonable abortion restrictions.
"When asked about the legality of abortion at different stages of pregnancy, about two-thirds of Americans say it should be legal in the first trimester (69%), while support drops to 37% for the second trimester and 22% for the third. Majorities oppose abortion being legal in the second (55%) and third (70%) trimesters."
I wasn’t talking about the majority of Americans but about the prochoice activists like the ones here who have informed us that a 20 week old fetus is a parasite that can be killed at any time, solely at the woman’s discretion.
Whereas, in most of Europe, we seem to have figured it out. Set a sensible limit somewhere around 12-14 weeks, allow a lot exceptions when the mother’s health in threatened or for cases of rape and incest, and that’s it. It works.
Like hell it does. Women in Europe do not have bodily autonomy. You don’t need a special justification to decide what happens to your own body.
Chomping at the bit for a both sides false equivalency? Interesting that you’d find it when the basic rights of a whole class of people are on the line.
If it is inside of a woman's body and reliant on her to be alive, then it has nothing to do with anyone else. It's a parasite she can decide to excise from her body.
You can't force someone to give blood or an organ to another person, why are you allowed to force a woman to keep something inside her body?
It is way more than a clump of cells at 20 weeks. 20 weeks is when you do the huge ultrasound to make sure everything is developing how it should. My wife and I did a 20 week ultrasound for our first kid back in July and it looks just like a baby; you can see fingers, toes, facial structure, etc. The baby is kicking and rolling around through the whole thing.
It’s funny you get downvoted because you are right. Anyone who has a kid or knows how babies develop would never want abortions allowed at 20 weeks except in certain circumstances. Europe has a 12 week ban for a reason. Europe is only progressive here when it fits their narrative.
If I get a PM on Twitter with more serious stuff, I immediately send Discord ans Signal links instead. I don't want to risk any Elongated Muskrat moments...
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