So seriously - who's peddling this anti-vaping propaganda and what's their goal?
Vaping is easily the most effective way to stop smoking that's ever existed. Certainly we don't want kids to start doing it, and kids are the basis for much of the propaganda, but it's never just restricted to trying to make it so kids don't start. All of the propaganda efforts are directed toward stamping out vaping entirely, and that means that millions of people whose lives could literally be saved by switching from smoking to vaping will be denied that opportunity.
Why? Whose interests are served by denying adult smokers access to the most effective smoking cessation product ever?
I tried everything under the sun to quit smoking. It wasn't until I got myself a rig and stepped the nicotine down to zero until I was able to stop. I have remained smoke free for going on 8 years.
Nicely done! Similar route for myself. I did get more addicted to my vape at first, just out of sheer convenience/not having to go outside. Realized it though and took steps to be 8 months vape free.
Do you ever crave it anymore? I smelled someone’s cigarette the other day and instantly wanted one… when I was vaping, cigs smelled awful. monkey brains are weird.
fortunately i don't. once in a blue moon after a meal there is a brief flash but it's rare and a blink. i just enjoy being in an airport and not wanting to tear my hair out from cravings. oh and it took 2 years to quit...for those who are trying.
I’ve been vaping for 8 years after smoking for 6 years and the smell of cigarettes are gross to me. But when I see someone in a tv show or movie smoking that tends to make me crave a smoke. Weird how the brain works lol.
Who’s trying to stamp out vaping entirely? All I’m reading into this article is just “Kids shouldn’t start vaping, especially if they have asthma.”
The suggested solutions I’ve seen in the news recently are things like keep the vaping displays away from kids, stop kid-friendly flavours, and make packaging less enticing - all things that they currently do for cigarettes, and all perfectly reasonable IMO.
No-one I’ve seen is proposing taking them away from adults.
“kid friendly flavors” tend to be literally everything except for “chemical tobacco flavor” and menthol. And sometimes they go after the menthol too. They’re trying to kill the whole thing.
Adults also like the “kid friendly” flavors. Restricting people to vape flavors that taste like ass isn’t going to help them stop smoking cigarettes that are more harmful to themselves and those around them
Fuck this stop kid friendly flavor shit. I’m 40. I prefer sour flavors like apple/peach or red bull. I swear to fuck I will start smoking again to spite you paternalistic motherfuckers.
I buy juice not disposables so it’s not really marketed for kids, but congress, the FDA and the tobacco firms that seem to own both won’t really discriminate
Ahh, you’re American - the UK system, which this article is referring to, will be different. There is talk of banning disposables for environmental reasons and ease of kids getting hold of them, but the government over here are currently looking into the best options.
The government certainly won’t want to ban vapes entirely, as they help people quit smoking, so they take pressure off the health service.
Yeah. Sorry. Not sure I noticed I traipsed into the motherland.
For context, our television advertising ban happened because Philip Morris and RJ Reynolds stalemated on market share. Both had to pay for adverts because they’d lose share if they stopped, but if it’s banned they can save millions and nobody else can easily edge into their market.
Flavored cigarette bans were similar. Upstarts started eating into their profits, so it became necessary to ban their products.
Recently our FDA has started clamping down on places that mix juice. You either have to pay for some sort of certification or just buy mass produced juice.
I reckon you’re 100% on the money here. The big tobacco companies push all this drama and concern about the health effects so that everyone thinks the industry needs to be more regulated, that allows them to kill off the smaller competition and push up prices.
When you use regulations to keep or increase your market share? Yeah. Look up the history of advert bans. When big tobacco feels threatened or could save money congress passes laws for them. It’s sick. Our country is sick.
I liked that proposal to raise the minimum age every year that was proposed in the UK. Let people quit or smoke until they die but don’t let people start smoking
Exactly. Banning tobacco outright isn’t going to stop smoking, it’ll just create a black market. And we know how effective that has been for ‘real’ drugs. Smoking has been naturally declining in popularity anyway, so it really just feels like Tory posturing.
In Australia we just put the price up exponentially each year so that eventually noone will be able to afford them except the very richest in the country. I stopped smoking on 1/1/2020 when it was already over $1 per cigarette. It's considerably more expensive now ... I think about $30 for a pack of 20s. That's why my friend never has any dosh and is always borrowing money from ppl.
If you smoke, you should be allowed to vape in an attempt to quit. But if you never smoked, fuck vaping. It’s too new to be thoroughly studied for health effects.
They have been studying it for almost 20 years now and it’s, among experts, considered extremely safer than smoking. Sure they need to keep studying it but people throw this around like no research is done. There’s tons and it shows it’s vastly safer. They aren’t even comparable based off what we know.
That said I don’t smoke or vape but did used to do both, and used vapes to taper off nicotine. 6 years no nicotine.
I'm always curious - what is it that leads you to believe that you should be able to decide what other people may or may not do with their own bodies?
I've never been able to wrap my head around that whole idea. There's just no angle on it that makes sense to me.
If I presume that people do have the right to decide what other people can do with their own bodies, then we end up with self-defeating chaos, since different people have entirely different, conflicting and even contradictory, views on that.
But if I decide that they don't have that right, then... they don't have that right.
I don't see a chain of logic that can possibly lead to the conclusion that anyone does have that right, but it seems I can't turn around without running into yet another person, like you here, who blithely presumes that they do.
So really - how does that work? Inside your own mind, what's the reasoning that leads to the conclusion that you, rather than the actual people who actually inhabit the other bodies around you, should be empowered to decide what they may or may not do with their own bodies?
You see this way of thinking about poor and disabled people too, as if being unfortunate enough to require government assistance means you lose your agency too.
I vape, it’s how I quit smoking. I’d prefer to smoke, but it is the lesser of two evils, and I would encourage anyone who smokes cigarettes to switch. I recently went on holiday, smashed my vape and couldn’t find a replacement. I ended up buying the disposable kind from a supermarket for the first time and I was honestly shocked at how wasteful the are - so much unnecessary plastic that goes straight into the bin. But I was more shocked by how clearly geared towards children the disposable kind are - the bright colours, the flashy lights, the super sweet flavours, the high nicotine content. The one I bought was called YOLO ffs.
so much unnecessary plastic that goes straight into the bin.
They are technically WEEE and should be recycled. Apparently the shops which sell them are supposed to take them back for recycling - I wonder if any do! Or maybe they resent anybody who brings them back for disposal.
I returned it to the supermarket and the checkout lady put it straight in the normal bin in front of me! I was referring to the packaging more though - a box, a leaflet, a sealed plastic bag thingy, plastic labels that have to be removed, a little plastic stopper for the mouth piece. You’re meant to get 600 puffs per vape but every one I tried died after 2 days. That’s a huge amount of waste compared to the one bottle of juice I recycle each month and the coil I throw out every two-three months.
restricting the flavours and descriptions of vapes so they are no longer targeted at children
keeping vapes out of sight of children in shops
regulating vape packaging so they are not targeted at children
exploring whether increasing the price of vapes will reduce the number of young people using them
considering restricting the sale of disposable vapes, which ministers say are clearly linked to the rise in vaping in children and are incredibly harmful to the environment.
So not really very much, it’s hardly worth storming the Bastille over.
Media talking about vapes is like: “Olympic athlete who vapes died of a hole in the lung from which he bled out of, raising awareness to the practice of vaping in society.”
Article: “The Olympic athlete was shot during a home robbery. It’s totally unrelated LOL.”
Yeah fuck allowing children to vape but this is clearly a case of poor compliance asthma management and shit parents. Obviously some larger governmental intervention will help but the story is garbage.
Note: you can potentially ignore everything I said because I only read two paragraphs of the article and just looked at the photos of the shitty mom and kid
It seems to me that raising the minimum age to infinity, like the comment I’m replying to, seems to be a clear call for a total ban. I’m all for not having kids vape, but it seems to me that’s more an incompetent parenting issue.
Dude, do me a favor and shut right the fuck up. I was 12 once. I was accountable for my actions at 12. 12 Is not some magical age I cannot fathom. I'm fully aware that she's old enough to be considered a fucking idiot.
So you do me a favour and grow the fuck yo up you clown.
Edit: Survivorship bias or survival bias is the logical error of concentrating on entities that passed a selection process while overlooking those that did not.
Honestly this is like my hobby. Seeing you struggle and argue, while you can't form coherent sentences is cathartic for me. Hugs are great, but this... I like this.
Are you sure you're still not 12? Never seen an adult with an above 6th grade reading level that uses the f slur, and all of your posts are so abusive and inflammatory, as if you never learned how to talk to human beings.
Learn to write like a fucking adult you gutter trash spewing CHUD factory.
Are you sure you're not still 12? I've never seen an adult with an above 6th grade reading level that uses the f slur, and all of your posts are so abusive and inflammatory; as if you never learned how to talk to human beings.
Learn to write like a fucking adult you, gutter trash spewing CHUD factory.
Your comment was so terribly punctuated and written that I fixed it for you. Study this dipshit, free lessons.
How about not buying cheap Chinese shit online if it’s something you put in your body. I have been vaping for over 12 years and not once have I ever had any complications. Fuck your propaganda.
I’m not sure why you’re getting downvoted, I’ve been vaping since I quit the fags 10 years ago - just switched addictions! But, I do buy from what (I think) is a reputable seller - he makes it himself and puts the ingredients on the label. I’m just not quite ready to quit yet.
I’m sure some of the shit kids buy is un-regulated and it needs tighter control. It’s like weed - gonna fuck up your brain eventually - but it brings in tax I guess - so, who cares?
I agree with you, but the article states she bought these vapes over the counter. She also had asthma and was regularly using her inhaler after vaping, which can’t be good, and also suffering a cold at the same time. Also, was 12 years old and started vaping at 9, going through a 6000-hitter in 2-3 days. As a current vaper I can’t imagine burning through a vape that big unless I’m doing some serious bing drinking
It’s funny how we didn’t have these problems till the big tobacco companies got involved and started peddling their shit devices in every gas station and convenience store. Vaping came about as harm reduction for those of us that can’t get off of nicotine. Anyone selling to kids needs to be given a last cigarette and stood against a lonely, bullet-riddled wall. Maybe we should do vape sales like liquor: state-run, highly regulated stores with extreme penalties for anyone selling to, or buying for, minors. No online sales PERIOD. And no more single-use/pod devices: If you can’t handle filling a tank with juice and replacing coils, get fucked.
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