bstix,

People get children without being a couple.

What even is the definition of a couple and why should that determine the number?

XTL,

Good point. The obvious, and unpopular, take would probably be per uterus insteadnof per couple, since that is almost completely trackable, unlike paternity.

Chetzemoka,

This is already a tracked statistic. It’s called the fertility rate. Yes, it’s tracked per uterus, and it’s actually been falling precipitously for decades:

data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.TFRT.IN

Damage,

yeah no, that’s discriminatory

HappycamperNZ,

Ooo, do women have the power or are they a commodity valued on ability to have kids. Will this be a boon for feminine rights or a massive step backwards.

I smell a new post

NoIWontPickaName,

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HappycamperNZ,

Don’t forget to like and ring that bell

(I felt dirty even typing that as a joke)

NoIWontPickaName,

Like, Subscribe, and Obey!

HappycamperNZ,

Great, now I’ve got to go reinstall borderlands

adam_y,
@adam_y@lemmy.world avatar

It’s almost always childless young men saying this.

For a truly contentious opinion I’d love to see a married woman with three kids say it.

squiblet,
squiblet avatar

No kidding (ha!), I didn't have kids because i think the entire idea is stupid. So yes, I'd suggest that other people have less also.

scrubbles,
@scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech avatar

I mean, okay let’s break that down.

Young men, okay I’m a man in my late 30s, so throw young out as your argument. Second my wife shares the same thoughts, so, I don’t want to speak to her but maybe the gender side isn’t as important either.

Childless, well yes, my wife and I are both childless because of the massive problems facing the world today, mostly caused by overpopulation. I’d say being childless is more of a logical conclusion to having these thoughts rather than the other way around. It’s also more likely in your assumptions that a married woman with 3 kids would be pro having kids.

I don’t know what you thought you were proving, but to me it’s very logical why childless people are the people who are in favor of people having less children.

adam_y,
@adam_y@lemmy.world avatar

It was a flippant throwaway comment. I’m in my 40s, also married and also childless by choice. My partner and I being very similar to you.

I wasn’t proving anything, just making a subtle joke about a parent effectively eliminating one of their children.

scrubbles,
@scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech avatar

Got it, sorry I didn’t not pick up on the joke. I’ve been accused by my parents for being selfish that I don’t want kids and so I take things as “only young dumb people have these opinions” a bit too personally. Appreciate the explanation

adam_y,
@adam_y@lemmy.world avatar

Oh no, no need to apologise it was a pretty weak joke… But solidarity, I’ve had that too.

And getting asked “is everything ok?” as if we can’t have kids, rather than chose not to.

And the emotional blackmail about no grandchildren.

I think it really unnerves some folk.

Drusas,

I stopped talking to my mother (with rare exception) due to that very emotional blackmail. Knew I didn't want kids but started hounding me about "grandbabies" when I was all of 17.

Drusas,

The opinion that childfree people must be young, immature, and selfish is shockingly common.

Having children is a selfish choice as well--people have them because they want them. That's selfish. It's not wrong, but it's not some altruistic deed, either.

At least society is slowly coming around to the idea that having children is a choice and not a requirement.

squiblet,
squiblet avatar

People with 3-4 kids regretting a couple of them is perhaps more common than you'd think. I've known people with 2 kids - like, had kids at 18 and 20 with someone they broke up with at 23 and then had to spend the next 15 years collaborating with on custody and child-rearing even though they hated each other - who would dream what their lives would be like if they hadn't decided to reproduce vs. going to college or enjoying their youth.

the_q,

I think people shouldn’t have any kids.

NegativeLookBehind,
NegativeLookBehind avatar

The real right answer

AlwaysNowNeverNotMe,
AlwaysNowNeverNotMe avatar

All children should be kept secret until adulthood and then have to pretend to have been born before x year. It would build character.

OpenStars,
@OpenStars@startrek.website avatar

Well, this will certainly be an unpopular opinion, so at least it matches the community! :-)

HappycamperNZ,

The top two responses are opposite - definitely sits right.

OpenStars,
@OpenStars@startrek.website avatar
corroded,

Unlike just about everyone else here, I agree with this 100%. Population does not need to increase. Take either men or women and limit their number of children to 2; that would ensure a 1-to-1 replacement with the exception of early deaths. Once population decreases, maybe increase the limit to 3 if the numbers support it.

I’m not sure where I heard this quote, but it holds true here: “Save the earth; don’t give birth.”

drmeanfeel,

Who animated this shambling, tired malthusian corpse

wahming,

I’m mostly concerned at how many clueless people upvoted this dumb take

timbuck2themoon,

I think it should be upvoted as it’s a very unpopular opinion.

Paragone,

Sorry, but I’m disagreeing with you, in an unpopular way

: P

the average reproductive-rate need be managed,

BUT …

it is much saner to have some couples childfree ( which many, if not the majority, nowadays, want ), & then have total support for the reproducing mothers.

I wouldn’t want any genetic child-of-mine to exist, for any reason whatsoever.

However, since your, & my, & everyone’s, Soul/CellOfGod/ChildOfGod can ONLY have life-experiencings in a life, and since our Souls/Continuums already competed successfully for conceptions/lives,

then it’d be idiotic to block/deny all other Souls/CellsOfGod to have lives of their own.

( that isn’t against your argument, that is against others’ arguments, in the reproduction debate )

Since many lives want to NOT reproduce, but to instead have their own lives for adult living, and not for children-family living, isn’t that a right, too?

Therefore, to keep the reproductive-rate where it needs to be, to fend-off economic-collapse ( there needs to be sufficient next-generation, or collapse enforces economic hellscape on all of us ), those who do reproduce, need to do-so at the required rate,

and, obviously, social-support, education, etc, needs to be configured to back this reality.

See?

_ /\ _

Trashcan,

Just curious, you do know that such a rule would eventually reduce the human race to nill? Natural and unnatural deaths requires 2,X to remain at same level.

Btw, you should watch the British series Utopia

en.m.wikipedia.org/…/Utopia_(British_TV_series)

KyuubiNoKitsune,

Such a good series.

inb4_FoundTheVegan, (edited )
@inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world avatar

Well this sure is an unpopular opinion. Mostly because there is no way to define or enforce this and a draconian limitation of individual rights to a nonexistent problem, over population is a smoke screen. There is more than enough land and resources to support billions more people.

This is literally captilsism 101, if the rich have you angry at other humans that don’t even exist yet you will spend less time on disturbing the resources they are hoarding.

Thinking it’s easier to enforce humanity wide birth control than to tax and build houses in the empty areas is dillusional.

5714,

Population control just ends up as trying to control marginalised bodies. Stop trying to mess with uteri.

zipzoopaboop,

Agreed at least for a time frame. Solutions for today’s problems are smaller generations or war and mass death

Clent,

You can help by having zero.

HerbalGamer,
@HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works avatar
catarina,
catarina avatar
NeoNachtwaechter,

You may stay unpopular.

SendMePhotos,

Well, that certainly is an unpopular opinion. Do I upvote or downvote?

JustMy2c,

Just inform him that only a very few very poor countries still INCREASE IN POP. the rest are shrinking

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