Balancing Support for Transgender Rights with Concerns

While I unequivocally support the basic human rights of transgender individuals, I believe there are certain aspects of the current discourse and approaches that should be critically examined:

1. Medical Transition for Minors:

While I understand the desire to support transgender youth, I caution against allowing medical transitioning before the age of 19. The brain is still developing during adolescence, and it is crucial to allow individuals ample time to explore their gender identity and make informed decisions about their bodies.

2. Potential Drawbacks of Transitioning:

It is important to acknowledge that medical transitioning can have both benefits and potential risks. While it can significantly improve the well-being of many transgender individuals, it can also involve irreversible changes and potential health complications. It is essential to ensure that individuals have access to comprehensive information and support before making any decisions.

3. Prioritizing Causes:

Transgender rights and support represent a significant cause, and it is essential to advocate for inclusivity and equality. At the same time, we must recognize the multitude of pressing societal challenges that also demand immediate attention and resources. These include, but are not limited to, addressing poverty, combating climate change, and ensuring access to healthcare for underserved communities.

Ekybio,
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Mojo, (edited )
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Or maybe an example of: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(slang)#Concern_troll)

RedSeries, (edited )

  1. Sure! Great point! That’s why:

    a. Minors very rarely get surgery or non-reversible care.

    b. If a minor has gender dysphoria, they can work with their doctor and parents to be put on puberty blockers so they can explore if/how they want to transition, instead of forcing them through a puberty that would be very expensive and traumatic to undo.

    Your point is only an issue for bigots who can’t respect someone else’s private medical decisions regarding their own body.

  2. I had so much info and "are you sure?"s shoved down my throat when I finally came out. It would be impossible to not be sure if you actually talk to a therapist and your doctor. Both of which are necessary for a diagnosis of gender dysphoria, and is a precursor to getting access to care and doing things like changing one’s name (from experience!).

    Shall we regulate who can get tattoos or hair removal? Those seem pretty permanent and can have health implications as well.

    Your point is only an issue for bigots who can’t respect someone else’s private medical decisions regarding their own body.

  3. I don’t give much of a fuck about what you personally find to be important when my rights are on the line. Be as pissy as you want about this, but the only reason trans people are in the news or in politics is because of conservatives trying to legislate them out of existence. If my existence bothers you so much, you’re welcome to gouge your own eyes out and no longer perceive me.

Unpopular opinions is about the only place this shit can be said with a smug, troll veneer about wanting discussion or civility. Meanwhile, said opinions are only held by some of the most vile people to exist. I’d caution you about the company you’ll keep with opinions like that, but you seem to be okay with it.

EDIT: Fixed formatting.

Cosmicomical, (edited )

Also when did they start caring about climate change?

HobbitFoot,

In regards to #2 and the context behind that, there is nearly an order of magnitude less in the percentage of unsatisfied trans women getting boob jobs compared to cis women. There are several forms of body modification that is acceptable in society.

RBWells,

#3 makes no sense at all. Leaving people alone and letting them make medical decisions that affect nobody else does not detract from actual societal problems. People allowed to be themselves will be more healthy and better citizens, if you have to conflate trans rights with social issues then it makes more sense to let whoever wants to transition do just that. The energy spent fighting against people’s right to transition is somehow missing from your calculation, and takes more action than just allowing people to be whoever they want.

On your #1, they are going to develop in one way or another regardless, it doesn’t really make sense to disallow medical care to delay/lessen that physical development until they are legal to choose. Where I live, because of culture war bullshit kids can’t even get counseling for transgender questions. It sucks and puts kids at more risk, not less.

#2 - these are always disclosed to people who are trans before any care is delivered to them. This is not an unpopular opinion, it’s a current standard of care.

PoliticallyIncorrect, (edited )
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In my humble POV I don’t give a flying fuck about what people do. So if they are gay or whatever and want to transition it’s not my business, personally I don’t like to relate with trans people romantically but in other aspects I don’t give a flying fuck about what they want to do.

I believe Lemmy isn’t a good place to express your points about this, here is full of queer non-binary asexual empowered feminists(men and women) so you will just get downvoted by offended trolls and you will never get an actual answer with genuine discussion on the topic WO being insulted and banned from any community.

I believe the best take it’s to do your shit and don’t bother about what someone else do.

shalafi, (edited )

LOL, downvoted and not a single comment on here. Typical lemmy. I suppose this is a conversation we should not be having? Verboten? What a wonderful way to win hearts and minds.

As to #1, yeah, I get you. When I was young, I used to always say I must have been a woman in a past life. Or I might say I felt like I should have been born a woman. But after aging some, I realized I’m simply comfortable with women and with my feminine side. Both feelings were unusual among boys in my peer group. LOL, turns out, I’m as CIS as they come.

#2 would concern me, but it seems regret over transitioning is a tiny percentage. OTOH, everything I’ve read on the subject uses subjects who agreed to the survey and self-reported. I’m expressing that terribly. In other words, the stats don’t seem well done.

#3 You’re talking about political capital, a thing I find almost no one understands. People think their hot-button issue is obvious and should be handled in an obvious manner. “It’s a factual no-brainer and it should be done!”

Political capital can be understood as a type of currency used to mobilize voters, achieve policy reform, or accomplish other political goals. Although not a literal form of capital, political capital is often described as a type of credit, or a resource that can be banked, spent or misspent, invested, lost, and saved.

Everyone wants their pet issue to be #1 in “spending”. And saying, “We can do more than one thing at a time.”, is naive. It’s impossible to disagree with on it’s face, yet entirely unhelpful in the realm of politics. Say a politician is stumping for climate issues, but stumping for trans rights will turn off too many voters to accomplish that goal. What would we have them do? Welcome to why politics is such a pain in the ass.

Cosmicomical,

You are right, it’s a conversation we should not be having, because it has been discussed at nauseam and it’s brought up again just to waste our time. Transgenders are humans and have rights. Deal with it.

bostonbananarama,

As to #1, yeah, I get you.

Are there young children having transition surgery? My understanding is that transitioning requires years of therapy. That young minors are typically only given puberty blockers, followed by HRT when appropriate. There are standards set by medical organizations.

#2 would concern me, but it seems regret over transitioning is a tiny percentage.

My understanding is that a lot of the regrets stem from society not accepting them.

#3 You’re talking about political capital, a thing I find almost no one understands.

What political capital is needed to not be an asshole. Do you need a lot of capital to not target already at-risk youth?

Deceptichum,
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Your “reasons” suck, you suck.

King,
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Why exactly?

Deceptichum,
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Why would I waste time explaining to you?

Other people have commented informed reasoning and you’ve ignored their responses only to reply to my comment and ask me why?

You’re clearly not actually interested in the why aspect.

Mojo,
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Oof, gottem

shalafi,

We are here for a mature discussion. You are not.

Where I against trans rights and came here out of curiosity, maybe learn something to change that view, you would have hardened that view.

You’re hurting, not helping.

ada,
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If one angry person defending trans people can turn you against trans people, you weren’t here to educate yourself, you were here looking for a reason to validate what you already felt…

nottelling,
  1. None of your business. This is case-by-case between said minors, their parents, and their physicians.
  2. None of your business. This is case-by-case between said trans people and their physicians.
  3. It’s not a zero-sum game. You’re not making poor people’s lives worse by ensuring that trans people have rights or vice versa.
shalafi,

I disagree with #3. There is only $X political willpower to go around. See my comment.

I meant to include your first two points in my comment and failed.

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