“It’s an old Disney scam where they slightly rename a series to reset contract terms back to first season,” DeKnight wrote on X/Twitter. “Needs to be addressed by all the guilds/unions and crushed!”
It is an old Disney trick but I think this is different. Kevin Feige had very little say about the old marvel shows, he butted heads a lot with the guy who was in charge of the TV shows, Ike Perlmutter. Ike was a piece of shit and is no longer in charge, so you can’t really blame Kevin Feige for wanting to wipe the slate clean. I’ve been thankful he decided to keep the two biggest names from the original show but in no way was the new show going to be a continuation, unlike the other examples listed in the comments
I know it’s super late but I just saw this and it bothers me a little bit. I think literally anyone that was involved in the old show should be considered lucky for being able to work on the new one. It’s a different show based on the same characters that the old show was based on, with your logic, everyone involved in the Gotham show are also entitled to be involved with Pennyworth and the Penguin show with Colin Ferrell. When they made the Flash TV show with Grant Gustin, it was fun and special that the guy who played flash in the 90’s TV show played his dad. But in no way should anyone from the 90s show be entitled to anything creative or otherwise from the new one.
This isn’t decades later it’s a few years. And they brought back both the lead character and lead villain. The crew I understand it’s a few years most have probably found other sets to work on but foggy and Karen are also stars of that show and no one is going to think that the original series isn’t canon. They made daredevil the character he is today just as much as the guy who plays Matt, who’s name escapes me at this very moment.
I’m not saying everyone involved in the Ben Affleck daredevil needs to be hired again.
Yeah they are still officially canon. I understand if they play less of a role as it becomes more of an extended universe and they have to focus on daredevil and other main characters, but to completely snub them is fucked up. Doubly so if they recast them.
Well it was my understanding that nothing from the show will be canon and they will be recasting Foggy. If I’m mistaken and those characters from the show are canon, then I agree with you.
They mention that it is “an old Disney scam”, are there other examples of this? I can’t think of any but I’m curious to know how those other examples played out.
Interesting. I looked up this show and it looks like it kept the same creator credits. I do wonder if there was some secret behind the scenes things going on, or if some other shenanigans happened (obviously if it’s supposed to be a secret, it’s hard to find.)
I’m not being sarcastic, check out every single Disney series that runs longer than a few seasons. Every. Single. One.
Much like a CEO that gets fired by the shareholders if he misses and avenue for profit, I have no doubt that CEO would fire producers that didn’t do the same thing.
Part of the issue is that Disney’s media group continues to put out high quality content year after year. Plus their services like theme parks remain in high demand after several years of steep price hikes. How do you compete with that?
I mean we vote with our wallets and we don't watch their stuff so it fades to obscurity. Even watching something via piracy just means you will possibly recommend it to others leading to sales of their service. If you want a company to die that is really the only answer.
We were able to reign it in a bit when corporations and the rich were heavily taxed and unions were much stronger and more prevalent. The last fifty years have eroded that away. We need the reign it in again. ✊
Makes no sense if it's the same premise, same major characters and basically the same recipe as the original -- which seems to be its selling point. But the mouse fucks over whoever it can.
If Deborah Ann Woll wants to be in their show and Deborah Ann Woll is not in their show, I fear a lot of bad decisions are going into the production of their show.
“I can say this: they have not called me yet. So, as of now, I am not a part of it,” Woll revealed on a recent episode of the “Inside of You” podcast (via Total Film), hosted by “Smallville” alum Michael Rosenbaum. “I would be thrilled to get to be a part of it. They know where I am. Like I said, I love the character Karen Page. I love telling that story. I feel like I have more to say. But it is up to them what kind of story that they want to tell.”
That will be the sticking point. If this is a continuation of the Netflix series, resetting the contract terms will be messed up.
If it’s not a continuation, it’s still kind of messed up that they’re going with the less generous contract terms. I also personally think that would be a bad decision just from a creative standpoint. People wanted more of the Netflix Daredevil, not Disney-fied Daredevil with some of the same actors.
While I am not a fan of the historic tendency for Disney (and I think also Nickelodean?) to use soft reboots and spinoff shows to keep shows in certain budgetary brackets:
That is a horrible idea. Tying contracts to continuity is just a giant mess that actively discourages even stuff like The Good Place/Parks and Rec/Brooklyn 99 where there are vague references to each show in a way that you can kind of pretend they are all the same universe. Instead, it means that studios would be even less likely to work with a popular show runner for fear of triggering “continuity”
In theory: The current model “works”. I would hope Charlie Cox was able to negotiate a strong paycheck for himself. Same with Dinofrio. Because they were almost universally praised for Netflix Daredevil and it doesn’t really matter if this is Earth-616 or Earth -617. If your show was successful then you are in a very good position to negotiate for the sequel series (… and that is how you get a spinoff with the little brother somehow becoming President because the lead actress wanted too much money)
In reality? Daredevil Season 1 was largely praised and like the first two thirds of Season 2 were almost universally praised. The last third of Season 2 was a shitshow that was setting up the tie-in show, which was god awful, and Season 3 (?) was a mess from top to bottom. Maybe you can blame a lot of that on the show runners (we sure as hell won’t blame the execs…), but it greatly “devalues” the performers. Which… is arguably by design. Same with Deborah Ann Woll who, weird “I guess I’ll just strip so we can get some naked upper back in the series premier” aside, consistently became the heart and soul of TWO of the Netflix shows and more or less redeemed one of the top 100 most problematic characters in Marvel history. And Idle Hands kid wasn’t completely horrible.
And… I honestly don’t know how to handle that. Just because someone was hired in season 1 doesn’t mean they need the biggest paycheck on the crew. Just like someone who showed up two seasons ago but became THE standout star doesn’t deserve to get paid shit. The hope would be for more Friends like collective bargaining but… sometimes you have stuff like Mythbusters where Adam and Jaime were very much “work friends” or stuff like Castle where Stana Katic and Nathan FIllion will be the chief suspect if the other ends up dead.
Similarly: Sometimes a soft reboot is good. Look at all the people who will INSIST you need to watch Supernatural from episode 1 even though we all acknowledge Season 1 is nothing like the rest of the series and the show itself more or less completely changed premises and genres three or four times.
But… those are also what are historically used to break the bargaining power of a “show”.
Don't you think this show will be a little more than a vague reference or a quick cameo? I think you're making a really disingenuous argument here.
And those cameos or shared-universe things should be negotiated anyway and probably are. It actually is also somewhat helpful for the show to share the universe with another popular show, otherwise they wouldn't do that. But this isn't that. This is them going "you liked Netflix's Daredevil, so here, enjoy". That's their selling point. It's not from the makers of Daredevil, it's the same Daredevil.
Here is a tip: If you want to have a conversation with someone, don’t open up with calling them a liar because clearly anything that is not your world view must be a lie. It is a toxic mindset to begin with and just makes people not want to deal with you.
Also, I have no idea how any of that applies to what I said above. While I assume he got a decent paycheck, I am pretty sure Ted Danson wasn’t paid as though he had been on Frasier for 11 seasons when he did his cameos as Sam.
I thought his inclusion in She-Hulk was fun, and it was nice to see a more lighthearted take on the character. Having said that, though, I hope the tone of the Disney series is mostly like the original.
Yes. What I wish from Marvel television is a buch of different series, different genres, and tones, who still exist in the same world and occasionally interact with each other. Thats what Marvel comics do.
We were getting that with the Netflix and even ABC shows. Sadly, they’ve gone for quantity over quality with the Disney+ shows and nothing TV-MA exists in the MCU anymore. The new book that shows the official timeline completely leaves out all shows that weren’t made for Disney+.
This is the worst part. It’s so watered down now. So many Marvel and SW shows I’m just never going to watch, especially since my experience with the last few has been so bad.
Really, not even the issues where Daredevil pretended to have a twin brother, Mike Murdock, to throw Karen and Foggy off his trail after Spider-Man sent them a handwritten letter telling them he knows Matt is Daredevil?
I mean I certainly prefer the grittier Daredevil that Frank Miller helped define, but initially he was kind of a knockoff of Spider-Man and had some sillier adventures
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