Which is why I fully support it and hope they take out Putin in the process. Mutual annihilation of the top level leaders on both sides would be best for everyone, including for the Russian people themselves.
I mean, Putin killing Prigozhom basically signaled none of them are safe. At this point if you are going to die falling out of the sky or die raiding Moscow, the latter might have a higher chance of survival.
That was necessary for Charles to ascend to the throne. In reptilian society you have to defeat the raining monarch in single combat and consume them to take their position and retain the respect of the drones.
This is a greater overall danger than many of you seem to realize. Their leader was a face and figurehead, the real power of Wagner mercenaries lies with the lieutenants. Without him, they are likely to splinter and become more brutal. Some are likely to be hired by the anti-Putin oligarchs, while others may align with Putin. This may result in Russia having to pull out of Ukraine, but that’s not the end of this. Even if Putin is slammed out of power, that just results in an internal power struggle with deadly consequences. Those will not stay inside their borders.
All true, but it does not depend on this specific group of folks or the inciting incident of their leader’s death. Violent internal power struggle spilling across borders is practically guaranteed no matter who the actors are. Even if Putin lives a long life and dies of natural causes, that’s coming.
I don’t know though my instinct says you’re overstating the complexity. Doesn’t really need to “land accurately” so much as detonate above any target population. Could just even be conventional ordinance with a nuclear payload.
I know it’s not simple. Many things need to work in a certain way so they need to be maintained. Batteries must be replaced, systems must be tested frequently and security is very high. This is all expensive and knowing how cheap Russia is and lax their maintenance is, I’m betting many components were stolen which makes a success lunch much less likely.
My question is who is going to pick up the tab for these mercs? I can’t see Putin doing it himself, as he wouldn’t want to set precedent… but they are spoiled. I would assume it will be bad for Russia if they don’t keep the money flowing.
The Kremlin has been paying for Wagner from the beginning. Wagner has always belonged to Putin. It’s mercenary status has just been a mechanism of plausible deniability.
Idk about that one, they’re employed by Wagner, Wagner is essentially the business entity that allows them to operate as a mercenary group. Who knows how much loyalty they have to their own command structure? If I were the owner of a private Merc army, I would try to instill as much loyalty as I can so they don’t turn on me.
I didn’t say it was ‘controversial’, just inaccurate. There’s no controversy about it.
What makes you think military members are more loyal to their nation than mercenaries? Heck, one of my most upvoted responses says “Wagner was more gungho about the war in Ukraine than the military.”
For a lot of mercenaries, the military doesn’t go far enough or give them the freedom to shape the nation how they want.
Literally everything you said can also be said about soldiers, and in most cases it would be more accurate.
This is historically ignorant. Before professional armies, mercenaries would literally have their camps set up in a country that hired them, only to turn and ransack a nearby town after an enemy spy came in and paid them more to do it. Western society literally invented professional armies because of mercenaries.
Even if it’s true…what does that change? I mean, bobman said that some mercenaries have alliegance to their companies. Not countires, companies. So mercs from Wagner have alliegance to Wagner Group, not Russia.
The less wagnerites operating on Ukrainian soil the better. The less wagnerites helping illegal migrants to cross Polish-Belarusian border the better. The less wagnerites the better.
Just because they aren’t “hunting them down” doesn’t mean they aren’t responsible for their deaths. They have killed them by way of pushbacks, keeping them in the cold and stopping volunteers from helping them. Hundreds have died and have not been recorded while they wash their hands of this abuse.
Poland’s government is extremely racist and xenophobic and used the migrants as an easy way to rile up its supporters, while portraining them as “lukashenka’s hordes”.
Just because something doesn’t ally with NATO narrative doesn’t mean it’s disinformation.
Like I said, these deaths are not being recorded. Do you know what a pushback is? It’s by definition illegal, so there won’t be any records. Also the deaths happen on the belarussian side of the border, which is even worse with keeping track of anything.
The whole polish side of border has been cordoned off by the army for over two years now, they harass and stop journalists and volunteers from accessing the border. There will never be any data.
I don’t give a fuck about your considerations either. Our border our rules. Also lol’d at “killing”. If anyone died there it was because of their own stupidity of trying to cross it from Belarus which isn’t a war torn country but they didn’t want safety but rather monies from western Europe.
Exactly. Poland itself is pretty damn far-right, and while they might be helping Ukraine and Ukrainians, this doesn’t mean their government is not borderline fascist. Someone else below (@TimeNaan) provided this link documenting some severe human rights abuses against lots of migrants (some of these are also from the Belarus side too, it’s not just Poland).
Any situation in which a state denies access to people watching for such abuses - like this - is one that sends immediate and severe warning signs to me. Combined with the other stuff going on around LGBT+ free zones, well, it’s worrying imo >.<
Some of this stuff is even worse than what I’ve heard of the US/Mexico border, though it’s all pretty horrific.
Recent? I was watching a video about the USSR losing a whole bunch of their top generals because the idiots went on the same plane to some meeting. They used this little trip for some personal shopping. They bought a lot much stuff and it was improperly secured in the aircraft so it shifted during takeoff dooming them all.
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