Are you referring to the video of the car en route to Egypt blowing up? If so, that wasn’t Israel. The only explosives in range would be missiles or artillery, which are much larger than the blast captured.
The public currently doesn’t know what caused the explosion. Some say it was fuel igniting, others say there was an IED either on the road or inside the car.
yes, thanks to social media the entire world can see it now. that’s why they were cutting off internet service - because the favorable media isn’t the only game in town anymore to tell everyone “poor israel” while ignoring Israels atrocities.
Israel also publicly acknowledged they bombed an ambulance convoy, they claim the ambulances were used to transport Hamas militia.
You can choose to believe or disbelieve them on their motivations (I am very skeptical, personally), but these aren’t unsubstantiated claims. These are publicly acknowledged strikes.
And with that many bombs flying around, so many buildings levelled, of course there’s going to be journalists around the place getting hit.
Israel also publicly acknowledged they bombed an ambulance convoy, they claim the ambulances were used to transport Hamas militia.
The source is hamas themselves–Not very reputable, as reputable as the IDF saying they didn’t do it.
According to the IDF, militias inside of Gaza are indeed using Ambulances and medical gear to disguise themselves. However, as previously mentioned–not very impartial.
Ok, great, we’ve gone from “Where’s the evidence?” to “Israel is justified doing those things”.
I don’t think anybody outside the Hamas command structure or the IDF command structure can conclusively and unequivocally claim they know whether these strikes were or were not justified, it all comes down to which sources you believe.
I’m glad we’ve made progress though and you acknowledge that these things happened.
Unfortunately, I can’t find the original source material, however I can link you to a video from a Rumble podcast showcasing the explosion I’m referencing. However, I did find this article, which contains much more gratuitous content, but is still on the topic of attacking refugees–The article notes that experts are unable to conclude what kind of blast it was.
if i was the IDF and I wanted to kill civilians without any witnesses, I’d use my largest and most destructive bomb to really make sure no one captures it on film.
You wouldn’t use the same armaments that your enemy is using? If I were evil, I would do my best to make it look like my enemy is the one who is killing civilians. It’s so common that there’s actually a name for it
<span style="color:#323232;">That didn’t happen.
</span><span style="color:#323232;">And if it did, it wasn’t that bad.
</span><span style="color:#323232;">And if it was, that’s not a big deal.
</span><span style="color:#323232;">**** And if it is, that’s not my fault.
</span><span style="color:#323232;">And if it was, I didn’t mean it.
</span><span style="color:#323232;">And if I did, you deserved it.
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Sure bro, I have more sources. Just tell me which site or source I should actually use so you don’t call me a mindless idiot and downvote me. Challenge accepted
I never said they didn’t use tunnels. I said the only evidence for the hospitals being used is “Israel Says”. You can’t just throw random articles as “sources”. They need to actually back up your point and credibly. A tunnel in visual range of a hospital is not it. A blog with unsubstantiated claims is not it. A major news article that doesn’t say anything about hospitals, is not it.
And please stop trying to reply to me in two places with the same thing.
Probably shouldn’t use paywalled sources to prove your point bud, especially ones that don’t seem to be in amnesty.org (the official website, not an wapo editorial.)
Those all seem to be attacks of opportunity not thought out, well supplied hit and runs like you would expect for “thousands of miles of tunnels” or a “sizable underground garrison”. You’d expect combat closer to Vietnamese rat nest attacks of Israel were at all correct.
Ed: you last source doesn’t even say it’s happening, it says they condemn it, essentially “if your doing it, stop doing it”.
Notably absent any actual evidence and it’s not like the US would lie to exert influence and justify international conflict.
I remember we stormed that one country because they had “weapons of mass destruction” and 20 years later we found so goddamn many… No wait we found none and were proven to have known there weren’t ever any.
Your link goes to a page about Palestinians being tortured.
I haven’t seen anything but condemnation because no one has actual evidence it’s happening, Israel who are the most adamant that it’s happening won’t show proof.
That article also condemns using hospitals, it didn’t however say it is happening. They are couching statements because Israel says it is happening and the concept is at the very least plausible and condemnation appeases Israeli allies.
You haven’t provided proof, you’ve provided statements of condemnation, that’s different. I can condemn the use of the trashcan at the end of the alley as a toilet, that doesn’t actually mean anyone’s been shitting in the trashcan just that I think if it happened it would be abhorrent.
One video of them shooting at a hospital, one video of tanks in alleys, and one video of a single man in a street with an RPG.
This is not evidence of anything. It’s as much evidence of hospitals being command centers as a picture of an RV was evidence for mobile chemical weapons labs in Iraq.
Hamas doesn’t care… They are terrorists. It is incumbent upon the “good guys” to be better than the terrorists. We really don’t want to go back to the time when war was a race to the bottom of the atrocity ladder.
Yup. Hamas is a shit organization who only the Palestinian people to further their wealth and trash ideology. Gaza hasnt had an election since Hamas barely came to power. Their leaders live a life of luxury while their people suffer. That said, netanyahu has been a fucking asshole himself – he caused this attack as much as Hamas.
However, this is an ongoing war that was started by two assholes where the only suffering happens to innocent people. Civilians die in war, while they are not primary targets (except by terrorists), they will be caught in the crossfire. If a major leadership cell is at a hospital – the hospital is a target and the leadership will be taken out, even in the laws of war – you CAN target hospitals. If a hospital is “untouchable” then the enemy will use it. War is horrible, but when you are in it – you fight.
Its best to focus on the failed policies of the USA, Isreal and the authoritarian, terrorist Hamas government that led to this mess in the first place and find some path for peace to ultimately stop all this bloodshed.
How this can be done? No idea, but whatever has been done isnt working.
I’ve been in a few war zones… I know the rules. The point isn’t whether it’s legal… Israel has the resources to clear these places on foot. Yes, it sucks and yes, it will result in higher IDF casualties. Just like clearing Falluja building by building led to higher coalition losses there. Soldiers dying is better than civilians dying…especially when you’re fighting terrorists. Every dead civilian has family, friends, lovers, etc, that will become more sympathetic to the terrorists and make killing the ideology that much harder.
“Its best to focus on the failed policies of the USA, Isreal and the authoritarian, terrorist Hamas government that led to this mess in the first place and find some path for peace to ultimately stop all this bloodshed.”
The policy that led to Hamas was the apartheid system imposed on Palestinians by Israelis, not to mention the continued theft of land over the last 70 years. Nothing changes without that system being dismantled.
You dumb. Correct, they haven’t had an election within the lifetime of over half the population of Gaza so they aren’t duly elected and there’s little evidence to support Palestinian support of Hamas specifically. Netanyahu had been caught paying hamas cash on multiple occasions, didn’t must cause it he paid for it.
You cannot disproportionately attack a hospital, there are 5000 people known to be in that hospital and a claimed sub 500 Garrison below that they refuse to get into his or why they know about. You can’t kill 5000 to kill 500 you don’t actually even have proof exist.
You seem to gloss over the literal terrorist roots of the IDF, lehi, irgun, haganah age others were all terrorist organizations involved in self claimed acts of assassination, civilian bombing and religious purge of secular leadership.
No shit? Bombing civilian industry and controlling the population of an open air concentration camp isn’t popular? Whoever would have guessed that?
All things being equal, the IDF are bigger and more successful terrorists than Hamas and their response to the October 7 attack was a disproportionate response, despite the IDF also conducting operations in the west bank at the same exact time.
somehow I’m not surprised that you can’t even think about science and how it contributes to civilization. you are being intellectually dishonest by claiming that we are all equal and then you pick the worst possible example from the group instead of picking the best representatives of nobel prize winners before comparing them with terrorists.
but sure I’ll take anyone from the list of nobel prize winners (which in my opinion are usually political) over someone that puts babies in ovens and burns them alive. it’s not really that complicated as you are trying to make it seem, even when you pick a strawman interpretation of my comment.
EDIT: In a way I’m not surprised that the very people who defend hamas think that rapists and terrorists have the same worth as a nobel prize winner.
Comparing actions being taken in a war being fought over an area larger than that of Delaware to that of a bank robbery is too reductionist to give any sort of meaningful response to.
War fucking sucks, and sometimes the only way to save 10,000 lives is to end 100. Every country has limited resources to deal with hostage situations in active warzones.
The thing though is, that this is not the case with IDF. They have plenty resources, enough to be selling to the rest of the world actually, and they are not preventing an impending attack. It seems like their motives are somewhere else
Imagine for a moment, if you will, the United States in the present day. Imagine a bill reaches the US House of Representatives called “America the nation state of white people”. In its basic principles it states “the right to exercise National self-determination in the United States is unique to white people”. Further down a clause for White Settlement “the state views the development of White Settlement as a national value and will act to encourage and promote its establishment and consolidation”.
Outraged a coalition led by the Congressional Black Caucus initiates a challenge to the bill and proposes a bill of their own where it calls the United States “a country for all its citizens” but the speaker of the house unilaterally disqualifies the bill before it’s allowed to even be debated.
The house General counsel explains in a statement the bill includes several articles that are meant to “alter the character of the United States from the nation state of white people to a state in which there is equal status from the point of view of nationality for whites and people of color” the bill is dead.
“America the nation state of white people” passes through both chambers of Congress unchallenged it’s then signed into law.
US President Joe Biden would invoke the law in a tweet a year later saying “America is not a state of all its citizens according to the nation state law we passed America is the nation state of white people and not anyone else” As one Rights group put it “there is no Democratic constitution in the world that designates the Constitutional identity of the state on racial grounds as serving one ethnic group”. There is now this disconcerting scenario, it is anything but imaginary.
It’s completely real and happened just a few years ago to little coverage and little condemnation in Israel.
That is who you are defending, like a golem set to task by its master, thoughtless and without morals.
I’ll ask again… maybe you’ll answer (nobody else I’ve asked has). It seems you support Israel, so why don’t you think they should be held to a higher standard than a literal terrorist organization?
So you’re just being a contrarian/troll then? Seemed like a pretty emotional defense of their actions for someone who doesn’t support them. Guess that’s the internet for you.
This feels a bit like Russia gallantly “offering” to “adopt” and “care for” Ukrainian children whose families are unfortunately, inadvertently facing some difficulties currently (e.g. death)…
There is a huge need for Israel to actually prove this shit. I’ve seen only two pieces of evidence that they aren’t just collectively wilding out and killing everyone in Gaza. One piece was a brand new version of Mein Kampf that they swear came from a “child’s living room” whatever the fuck that means. And the other one was blurry images of a Hamas terrorist that might have been beside a hospital.
Israel is in the top 5 of military powers and they’re supposedly fighting terrorists that they’ve fought for decades who have essentially no modern military capability besides on the ground street fighting. If they have intelligence that Hamas is using hospitals, refugee camps, ambulances, the routes Israel said civilians can use for escape, etc, it seems like there would be no risk in releasing that.
It’s put up or shut time. Because all we’re seeing is a bunch of evidence of genocide and war crimes. So show us the evidence or just go full mask off (rather than the 80% mask off that they seem to be doing so far) and just admit that Israel is trying to turn Gaza into a parking lot with all that means for civilians.
Israel’s been shitting on Palestinians for a long time, but now Hamas decided to be the shitty ones.
The children did nothing wrong, and I have no reason to believe that doctors will do anything less than their best for these kids, but the doctors aren’t the ones with bombs.
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