amenotef,
@amenotef@lemmy.world avatar

Generally companies get lower tax rate than physical persons with 10+ years experience in many european countries. And the rich have all assets in their companies. In my opinion it should be lowered to match the same as the companies. As for the lower class that can barely afford stuff with a basic salary in some EU countries, stay very low or just null.

dependencyinjection,

Yet when I have debates in work my colleagues are like but people now are richer than ever.

aDuckk,

Look at how many cheap screens and toys the slaves have made for us, luxuries our forebears with nutritious food and community resources and homes could never imagine

sadreality,

said the slaves without realizing their situation

alienanimals,

Rishi Sunak has been doing his bootlicking job quite well!

sadreality,

plot twist... he is the boot!

Womble,

Sunak’s family is worth literal billions, he is the boot not the licker.

agent_flounder,
@agent_flounder@lemmy.world avatar

I suppose next the UK is gonna axe the public healthcare system? Between inequality and the rising authoritarian laws showing up…yikes?

tankplanker,

There is a few steps before then. We are currently at the stage of privatising previously state ran services within the NHS such as radiology and buying extra capacity from private business This is being done at a local level using existing budgets so it means money for actual services gets reduced or quality of service drops as no outsourcer works at a loss for very long.

Other step that happens is you can pay to jump the queue by paying the heavily subsidised private offerings in the UK. This is often the same person you would have seen via the NHS. There isnt this huge magical pool of extra doctors in the UK who only work private (outside cosmetic) so anybody you see privately will almost certainly have a NHS case load. More work private, less work NHS as there is only so many hours they can and will work.

Next stage is national privatisation of some of the bigger services, for example the recent agreement with Palantir that sells off our data for far less than its worth and without explicit patient permission.

I would imagine as that will increase costs it will then become optional to pay for the NHS and instead you can pay for private cover (rather than paying for both as we do currently if you want private cover). Once this happens its only a matter of time before the NHS becomes an empty shell as the middle earners who pay the most tax towards the NHS will simply stop paying. Then at that point does private start getting way more expensive and the exclusions start.

Usually some privatisation apologist will appear and say that we do not have to follow the American model, to which I always say what exactly about this government has ever given you the complete confidence that anything other than the shitest option will happen. Its nice to wish for unicorns but they are not going to happen here.

sadreality,

Sounds like they are going straight for US model, ie NHS will be for old and poors, who are paid for by middle class forced into private market.

These schemes are not even creative anymore.

Jenntron,

Welcome to America.

Cosmicomical,

The best thing is that ghis means Europe is just spending less, but it's doing the same thing. Wtf EU

cyborganism,

Capitalism, even though it was invented by the Dutch, I always associated with Anglo-Saxon Protestant culture.

You can see these same problems being repeated in other Anglo-Saxon countries like Canada, the U.S. and Australia, but less so in countries with other cultural influences.

UrbonMaximus,

Which countries are you talking about? China? Mongolia? South Africa? Emirates? Argentina? I would argue that the “Anglo-Saxon” countries probably have less capital inequality, but it’s definitely a global problem - people with money don’t need to adhere to borders.

cyborganism,

Which countries are you talking about?

I literally wrote a list of countries in my comment…

The other ones you mentioned, with the exception of South Africa, are completely different. It’s like comparing apples to oranges. Some are rich, but the wealth is in the hands of one wealthy royal family and use actual slavery, others have a complex system of social classes meant to have a poor class for workers, based on family origin. Some are just poor countries. And one had an actual apartheid where a whole race of people were discriminated against.

UrbonMaximus,

I literally wrote a list of countries in my comment…

Let’s see…

…countries with other cultural influences.

No, no you didn’t.

You literally compared Anglo-Saxon countries to “countries with other cultural influences” and then say it’s complex… Pick a lane dude.

cyborganism,

I misunderstood your reply, my dude.

sadreality,

State is there to provide transfer payments to the ruling class and to insure their business interest are not only protected but also have a back stop if they are to fail.

It is getting exhausting that people dont seem to understand these basic concepts. Nothing will change until boolickers wake up from their "meritocracy, democracy, equity" delussionals.

You are living under a idiotic extraction regime and you are too fucking stupid and or naive to accept this fuck so you keep slaving...

Surely if you work hard enough some daddy will notice and reward you

🤡🤡🤡

darthsid,

You got to give it to the guardian for their headlines 😂

Che_Donkey,
@Che_Donkey@lemmy.ml avatar

You mean, the country that still has Lords, Ladies, Barons, Dukes, Dutchesses and a Royal Family are… financially classist ???

QuarterSwede,
@QuarterSwede@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah, zero surprises here.

nogooduser,

I don’t think that that is related really. They are effectively just rich people who pass on generational wealth.

It’s probably more to do with more than a decade of conservative government.

I don’t think that anyone would argue that the US isn’t financially classist.

DessertStorms,
DessertStorms avatar

Lmfao, who do you think runs the government? (Hint: go read up on what some of those titles actually mean)

EinfachUnersetzlich,

Do you know how the UK government works?

sadreality,

When was last time you've seen it "working", dear?

EinfachUnersetzlich,

Fair point.

nogooduser,

I’m not saying that they don’t have influence but the titles are pretty meaningless compared to the generational wealth.

Again, the US has the same situation and they don’t have titles.

sadreality,

You don't think 1000 years enforced class system has nothing to with anything?

how naive is u?

Entire English speaking world class systems are modeled on it. The hate of the poor is very specific to English speaking countries also. Continental Europe generally viewed poverty as unfortunate consequence of "progress". English speaking world it is a moral failing of the slave along with with his whore mother and drunk father.

These sentiments never changed and are currently being reflected with "conservative" policies across the globe. Their MO is extraction of value from the poors labour, always has been.

But hey keep your pedo royal family and elites... they dindu nuffin ;)

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