Report: Truce fell apart after Hamas refused to release more Israeli female hostages

Israeli official says Hamas doesn’t want to release remaining women because it doesn’t want them speaking publicly about what they endured on Oct. 7 and in their time in captivity

The temporary truce between Israel and Hamas broke down this week after the Palestinian terror group that rules Gaza refused to release 10 more female hostages, and instead sought to free abductees taken on October 7 from other categories, in violation of the agreement, Israeli officials said Friday.

The terms of the deal, brokered by Qatar, specified that Hamas would first release all women and children being held in Gaza and Israel would agree to a pause in fighting for up to 10 days, the Walla news site reported Friday, citing three Israeli officials.

Ahead of the eighth day of the truce, Hamas failed to propose a list of hostages set for release that would be acceptable to Israel in the final hours, as stipulated in the deal, and instead sent a message through Qatari and Egyptian mediators that it was prepared to release male hostages. Hamas had also proposed to release bodies of hostages it said were killed during captivity.

mlg,
@mlg@lemmy.world avatar

because it doesn’t want them speaking publicly about what they endured on Oct. 7

Which is why they released women for the other 7 days. Love how this article contradicts itself in the first sentence.

More likely Hamas wasn’t satisfied or no longer needed a reason to continue the truce, so they kept the hostages for another time. Which makes sense considering the original truce started at 3 days, and Hamas probably extended it as much as they saw fit for easier rearmament.

Not to mention Israel has been double dipping pretty heavily anyway, so no point in giving up hostage leverage for no gain. They’ll probably try to negotiate a new deal later down the line.

God I hate news reporting on military related conflicts because it almost always completely ignores how factions function. IDF nor Hamas are incompetent in warfare. They both have goals and know what they are trying to accomplish. Both groups barely care about the hostages beyond their use as leverage.

blahsay,

They released 80year old women and kids. You must know this and are just trying to avoid admitting that Hamas are rapists

mlg,
@mlg@lemmy.world avatar

news.sky.com/…/who-are-the-first-71-israeli-hosta…

Literally the frontpage news, what are you living under a rock?

They even provided pictures and descriptions of everyone in case you somehow failed to notice.

machinin,

That user has a habit of posting disinformation. Is there any way to report them for it?

Kleinbonum,

Which is why they released women for the other 7 days. Love how this article contradicts itself in the first sentence.

Here’s the entire sentence:

Israeli official says Hamas doesn’t want to release remaining women because it doesn’t want them speaking publicly about what they endured on Oct. 7 and in their time in captivity

which clearly implies that Hamas was fine releasing female hostages that were treated okay, but is refusing to release the remaining female hostages that have possibly been abused, raped, sexually mistreated.

You obviously don’t have to agree with that analysis, but where exactly do you see the contradiction?

Why9,

This is a total non story.

Hamas complained a bunch of times that their soldiers in Northern Gaza were constantly being fired at, and they were having to respond to.. Israel was already in breach of the truce but Hamas kept it up in the effort to have as many of its innocent civilians imprisoned illegally without trial.

Genuinely innocent women in children prisons are being tortured, beaten to death or maimed, are psychologically tortured and had no hope of being released. This whole war is the closest Gaza has gotten in many years to have those innocent civilians released, and Israel is actually arresting as many people as it’s “freeing”, and in some cases is arresting the very same people it let go, months or years after.

As of yet, not a single piece of credible information has been released from Israel to suggest it is targeting Hamas fighters. Hundreds upon hundreds of homes, schools, medical facilities have been destroyed with survivors saying there were no Hamas members nearby. They’ve begun bombing hospitals again as soon as the truce ended, and are saying they want this war to go on for a year. They say they’re using precision targeting to minimise civilian casualties, but all we see from those who are dying are innocent civilians. It’s genuinely pathetic.

If they were able to brutally murder more innocent civilians in one month than Russia has killed in the entirety of its war with Ukraine, then 11 more months is nothing short of annihilation.

This has to be the most barbaric, most inhumane nation on Earth currently, as not only does it have very clear genocidal intentions and outwardly speaks about it, it has the weapons and military capability to do what it wants with the blessings of the US and Western allies.

DoomBot5,

Man, so many lies in a single post it’s impossible to decouple them.

chunkystyles,

“Israel says…”

So it’s completely untrustworthy.

Stamau123,

I guess the rockets in the air and the hostages not produced are all just holograms and magician disappearing acts?

chunkystyles,

I’m saying taking one side of a conflict’s statements at face value, especially Israel’s, is incredibly naive or willfully ignorant.

dumdum666,

So you say it is wrong taking sides and then blatantly take sides - lol?

chunkystyles,

Saying Israel is biased and untrustworthy isn’t taking a side unless you think Israel can’t be criticized. In which case, I don’t care what you have to say.

fishos,
@fishos@lemmy.world avatar

Ever notice that during any of these “hostage” exchanges, Israel always has a ready supply of Palestinian “prisoners” to exchange in return? Funny how it’s only one side taking “hostages”.

DoomBot5,

Not surprising at all considering how both Hamas and PA are heavily focused on indoctrinating citizens to hate Jews and commit terror acts.

chowder,

It’s almost like one side is arresting specific people with handcuffs and eventually pressing actual charges instead of sending in a giant group of people to abduct as many people as possible.

Marsupial,
@Marsupial@quokk.au avatar

What are you on about?

One side has snatched up thousands from Israel, Gaza, West Bank and held them without trial.

chowder,
  1. You can’t read. 2. Still not even close to the same thing.
Marsupial,
@Marsupial@quokk.au avatar

Oh well you tell that to the innocent people being abducted.

chowder,

Again, arrested not abducted. They are going to an actual prison with actual charges applied eventually. Whether or not those charges are warranted is up for debate.

Marsupial,
@Marsupial@quokk.au avatar

No.

Many of them never get charged, they just get taken and if they’re lucky a month or so later they’re dumped somewhere random.

chowder,

So arrested and released? Bruh. That makes what Hamas did even worse in comparison.

Marsupial,
@Marsupial@quokk.au avatar

So far 1000 are still unaccounted for and 6 are confirmed dead.

Those recently released mention being tortured during their detainment.

chowder,

Yeah, just like the Israelis word I’m not taking Hamas’ word for shit. They both lie all the time.I like the kid who said they broke his hand while there is hella footage of him using it while being released.

Marsupial,
@Marsupial@quokk.au avatar

This not Hamas’ word, this is the word of the thousands of Palestinian migrant workers who have been taken by Israel since the 7th.

chowder,

Sure bud, keep thinking things would be better under hamas just ask the Thai worker “arrested” with a garden hoe to the neck.

Marsupial,
@Marsupial@quokk.au avatar

Israel kills so many Palestinians, that reaching 16 is old.

You really think you’re more likely to survive Israel?

chowder,

Yes Israeli captivity is better than Hamas. What fucking reality do you live in?

Marsupial,
@Marsupial@quokk.au avatar

The kind where you’re lucky to be even taken alive by them instead of murdered in the street?

chowder,

This place removed a link to Shanis body you know that woman who was “arrested” and thrown in the back of a truck and then stripped and spat on. Stop censoring things.

Marsupial,
@Marsupial@quokk.au avatar

Oh would you like me to counter with photos of Palestinian victims?

I can do they, and I can do it for far longer than you can.

chowder, (edited )

Sure, show me Israel sending waves of people into Palestine shooting every single person that moves, show me a bus stop of elderly Palestinians slaughtered. Show me a grandma being gunned down in her home. Show me Palestinian women bleeding profusely from her vagina tied and shoved into the back of a stolen car by the IDF.

chowder,

You’re a fucking clown.

fishos,
@fishos@lemmy.world avatar

It’s almost like one side is arresting specific people with handcuffs

We call that an apartheid state. Framing laws to specifically target an ethnic group so you can expell and eradicate them. In the US we called them Jim Crow laws.

Occamsrazer,

In the US when you kill random people it’s murder and when you take random people who aren’t breaking any laws and child them captive, then it’s kidnapping.

Mossheart,

In the US when you kill random people it’s murder

Unless you’re a police officer.

sirboozebum,

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/eeb578f2-e751-4d42-bc4d-fc8448e85828.jpeg

chowder,

And?

febra, (edited )

Alright, that is simply not true. Most of these people are held in “administrative detention” indifinetely and don’t even get to see a judge. When they get to see a judge, they end up in a military court for offences as simple as throwing rocks, and the punishments are disproportionately harsh. The conviction rate of these courts was at around 99.7% a few years ago. Don’t just take it from me, take it from Breaking the silence, an israeli NGO comprised of ex IDF soldiers that served in the occupied territories and are now speaking out.

chowder,

Dude, throwing stones at people is definitely an arrestable offense. If a group of people started to chuck rocks at me, I’d want them arrested. The fuck?

I never said they were right or just charges just they do in fact get charged or released eventually. They aren’t literal fucking hostages with demands being made. Fucking christ I don’t really like Israel but all you people are dumb as fuck if you really think Hamas captivity is anyway comparable.

febra,

These people are prosecuted under military law. Settlers that commit the same or even worse acts of violence are prosecuted under civilian law. This is the first big difference. The second big difference is the harshness with which these people are prosecuted in military courts. Settler crimes are considered to be of civilian nature and thus are simple misdemeanors or felonies. The occupied’s crimes are prosecuted under military law and thus are considered to be a threat of national security often paired up with terrorism charges for what would be a simple misdemeanor under civillian law.

Secondly, you can be kept under administrative detention indifinetely without any charge, even as a minor. That is not justice. That is hostage taking. I say that these people are hostages because first and foremost they haven’t had open, fair trials and secondly Israel convenientelly uses them as leverage whenever they see fit. They are a trading card for the occupying force.

The regime these people are subjected to is a regime of terror. They have no rights. Soldiers do not need a warrant to enter their homes and search them. Soldiers are strictly prohibited from protecting the occupied from settler violence. That is the job of the civil police, which is often controlled by the settlers. Sterile streets (streets where the occupied are not allowed to walk on; that’s exactly what the IDF calls them) are a normal sighting in the occupied territories. The rule of the land for the IDF is to “make their presence felt” (google it, that’s what they literally call it), aka to instill a sense of fear of the unexpected in the occupied people. This means playing by no concrete rules, not letting the occupied see the rule book, creating chaos, so that they never know what to expect. These people have been living in a constant state of terror. That is state sponsored terror.

I would say that while definitely not the same you can very well compare the situations these civillians live in, given that an external force is wreaking havoc in their lives in unimaginable ways using terror and abduction.

With all that being said, drop the ad hominem attacks if you’re replying to people. At least try to have a constructive conversation.

chowder,

I’m not reading all that, if you can’t tell the difference between arrest with handcuffs and charges(yes even false charges) vs a massacre and ending up a hostage that’s on you.

sirboozebum,

“I’m not reading all that”

Imagine being this insufferable.

chowder,

Imagine putting effort into pointless internet conversions.

sirboozebum,

I don’t have to imagine. I just read your posts.

chowder,

Wait to you the guy writing 3 sentences is putting in effort and not the dude writing full essays? Goddamn this place really is dumb as hell.

Stamau123,

Hamas responded to Israel’s warning by firing a rocket roughly one hour before the truce was slated to expire at 7 a.m. Friday.The US backed Israel in pointing the finger at Hamas, which US Secretary of State Antony Blinken said “began firing rockets before the pause ended, and… reneged on the commitments it made in terms of releasing certain hostages.”

HeyThisIsntTheYMCA,
@HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world avatar

Did Israel release or capture more Palestinians during the ceasefire?

DoomBot5,

Idk did Palestinians magically stop committing terror acts during the ceasefire?

Stamau123,

reuters.com/…/israelhamas-war-hostage-deal-ceasef…

Yes, they did release Palestinians during the ceasefire. Halt arresting Palestinians during the timeperiod was not a ceasefire stipulation, so not sure why it’s brought up.

honeyhunter, (edited )

Its brought up so hostages and prisoners can be conflated by duped altlefts as being just as bad

twisted28,

There is no Alt left

Marsupial,
@Marsupial@quokk.au avatar

Lol.

Is someone sad they were called alt-right and tried to apply that label to the left?

The left is so diverse that we hate every other leftist, there is no alt because we cannot agree on a default.

kurwa,

Maybe it’s because the majority of Palestinians are arrested for no reason?

hrw.org/…/why-does-israel-have-so-many-palestinia…

DoomBot5,

Do you have a non-biased source to corroborate that? HRW is very much biased against Israel.

Keeponstalin, (edited )

apnews.com/…/israel-detention-jails-palestinians-…

theintercept.com/…/palestine-israel-prisoners/

washingtonpost.com/…/israel-palestine-detention-a…

www.thenation.com/…/israel-postmortem-detention/

news.sky.com/…/israel-hamas-war-we-were-treated-l…

middleeasteye.net/…/interview-ilan-pappe-how-isra…

www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/28/arrests

timesofisrael.com/over-1100-palestinians-said-hel…

Strawberry,

non-biased source

That’s not a thing, bestie

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