France urged to repay billions of dollars to Haiti for independence ‘ransom’

France should repay billions of dollars to Haiti to cover a debt formerly enslaved people were forced to pay in return for recognising the island’s independence, according to a coalition of civil society groups that is launching a new push for reparations.

The Caribbean island state became the first in the region to win its independence in 1804 after a revolt by enslaved people. But in a move that many Haitians blame for two centuries of turmoil, France later imposed harsh reparations for lost income and that debt was only fully repaid in 1947.

tal,
@tal@lemmy.today avatar

This was a debt incurred 200 years ago that was paid off 80 years ago. Whatever the arguments for or against, I don’t think that it’s worth digging up now. There isn’t a country in the world that doesn’t have some sort of historical disputes.

circuscritic, (edited )

The debt was incurred because Haiti was a French slave plantation and the Haitians freed themselves in revolt.

The debt was basically for the loss of human property i.e. slaves and the profits derrived from their slave labor.

First the French enslaved and brutalized them, and then crippled their country with debt because they had the nerve to free themselves.

So no, it’s not just another historical dispute not worth rectifying.

tal, (edited )
@tal@lemmy.today avatar

Conquering countries, then extracting wealth from the population – usually farmers – was pretty much what empires were in the business of doing. Haiti and France aren’t unique in that regard. And that goes way, way back. Estonia was controlled by the Russian Empire, but Estonia isn’t arguing for reparations today (though they would like Russia to stop trying to re-conquer countries today).

The world is very unlikely to go back and try to choose some fixed point in time and say “we lock all property rights at this point in time, and try to reassess today based on where they were at that point in time”. I’m all for aiming to avoid some of the problems of the past coming up again today, but that’s taken care of – France isn’t trying to create a new French Empire 2.0 as things were in 1820. I don’t think that trying to re-zero based on some point in time is likely a great idea.

cygnus,
@cygnus@lemmy.ca avatar

Sure, OK, but this probably the worst possible time to funnel billions of dollars into Haiti. Who would they even give it to?

arymandias, (edited )

One option is to put a reverse tariff on Haiti, this way you stimulate their export economy regardless who is in charge. In general an economically stable and growing country also tends to be more politically stable.

Edit: a more realistic scenario is that France gives a bunch of money with the condition it is spend on French weapons or other French export products. So in actuality a hidden subsidy for the French economy, this is also how Germany ‘compensated’ for the holocaust to Israel.

NOT_RICK,
@NOT_RICK@lemmy.world avatar

Interesting, I like that concept

Evilcoleslaw,

Maybe it’s just a ploy to get someone to take charge. The last time Haitians seriously talked about reparations a bunch of paramilitaries mysteriously showed up and seized control.

Kyrgizion,

This exactly. There is no functional central government. Any money disbursed now would just end up with the warlords. If the situation stablises again, that would be another matter. But right now this shouldn’t be on the table.

  • All
  • Subscribed
  • Moderated
  • Favorites
  • •
  • world@lemmy.world
  • DreamBathrooms
  • ngwrru68w68
  • modclub
  • magazineikmin
  • thenastyranch
  • rosin
  • khanakhh
  • InstantRegret
  • Youngstown
  • slotface
  • Durango
  • kavyap
  • mdbf
  • ethstaker
  • JUstTest
  • osvaldo12
  • tester
  • GTA5RPClips
  • cubers
  • everett
  • tacticalgear
  • cisconetworking
  • normalnudes
  • anitta
  • Leos
  • megavids
  • provamag3
  • lostlight
  • All magazines
    •