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Seeing in my lifetime how China replaced the US in many segments here. 20 years ago, even our plugs/sockets were US-spec. Now I am talking to you from my home 5G powered by Huawei youtube.com/shorts/Bk7slfSLvvY?feature=share
Is creating echo chambers really desirable in our current political climate? Democracy is built on a foundation of free and open discourse, not in censoring opinions that we don’t agree with. All that does is polarize and radicalize people even more.
It’s not about an echo chamber. There are some instances that say the same few things without being reasonable. They’re just political slogans and myths with little bearing on reality. If they were reasonable, sure. It’d be fine. They will take things out of context and when you provide context that goes against it they find something else to attack and act like it never happened. It’s not useful and just makes it harder to see other things.
The entire principle of reasonability lies on accepting that other interpretations of facts exist. Removing those who question the prevailing interpretation is harmful for democracy, harmful for journalism, and harmful for freedom of speech.
Sure, there are other interpretations. There’s also ignoring facts as they stand. That’s as harmful as anything else.
Sometimes it’s not useful to hear certain opinions. I don’t care about the opinion that thinks the covid vaccine makes you magnetic, which they subsequently can’t verify. It’s not useful and most likely harmful. It makes my experience worse while providing nothing. If I can choose to not have that opinion heard, I will. It is not helping me get a better understanding of the world and is only making my experience worse.
If it’s conducive to having a better understanding of reality probably.
The “covid vaccine makes you magnetic” opinion that I used in the example does not. Their beliefs are based in fairy tales and they don’t care to question it, or if they do they somehow convince themselves that when it doesn’t agree with they’re beliefs that they’re somehow still right.
I’ve seen people from lemmygrad and hexbear provide sources, even western ones, over and over and be completely ignored by the person they’re talking to, often with a thought terminating cliche. You got this backwards.
There are users from all instances that do that. The fact some do it is not evidence of anything, one way or the other. However, I was arguing with someone from one of the two about Xi Jinping being from the political class, not the working class, and their “evidence” otherwise was that he lived in a cave when he was a child. They ignored the fact the reason he lived in a cave was because his father was a politician who lost political favor, and it wasn’t some random cave, it was a building constructed of a cave.
It’s all willful ignorance of fact if you can’t find fault with any government. If you support anything, you should be looking for how to criticize it, not how to tell other people that there aren’t issues. How else would you improve it. I don’t trust anyone who won’t admit any fault in the thing they’re defending, and especially anyone who chooses to tie their identity to that thing.
Just calling out the thought terminating cliche is, ironically, a thought terminating cliche as well. I didn’t only include that in my comment, you just (expectedly) ignored the rest. The fact you had nothing meaningful to say is enough. My comment was much more then pointing out your point of origin (as in instance). Your comment was nothing.
Okay dummy in a completely flat world without any context you’re TECHNICALLY correct but in this world we’re talking about you calling people whose opinions and references challenge your worldview bots so stfu you lazy dishonest dipshit
It’s gratifying that you’re upset at getting (rightfully) bullied because that means it’s working and your behavior will eventually adjust. Either by shutting up or by engaging in good faith. Either way we win. stalin-approval
What the fuck kind of delusions are you having? This is not an argument. This is a thread about calling you out for your bullshit of defending people who claim everyone who disagrees with them is a bot and your own flavor of that, calling people “biased”. If anything you should have gotten more shit for the rest of the pontificating nonsense you wrapped around a strawman. Your dumb smug ass replied with the shit I posted mocking you over in my last comment. You deserve to be bullied until you can act like you’re a member of a proper community and this is the bullying you’re receiving. There is no hidden ball. Stop acting like a fucking child and I absolutely promise you that you’ll get treated differently. Don’t whine about fucking up and getting called on it. Fucking liberals. Unbelievable.
Ah so like with every other logical fallacy it’s impossible for liberals to be guilty of the fallacy fallacy but all of us tankies are always guilty of every fallacy at once (yes even the ones that contradict one another)
You are rubber and we are glue, for everything we say bounces off you and rebounds back to us
Where did I say I couldn’t commit a fallacy? It’s just in this case the “fallacy” I made wasn’t any part of the argument, just pointing out that he’s saying that the group he belongs to is better than others, which literally everyone will say so isn’t worth assuming it’s correct without evidence. There was plenty of other things in the comment that were ignored.
It’s always pointing to some part of a comment and attacking that with you guys. You never defend anything because being on offense makes you look authoritative and superior, without having to put in any of the legwork that requires.
Oh, it’s not a matter of opinions; I just can’t stand Hexbear’s ugly emojis polluting my screen.
There’s also them assuming that anyone disagreeing with them must be a pro-murica propaganda-guzzling librul, as well as contrarianly shilling for anything that is anti-DaWest™ (or was once communist, if we take some liberties with the term), but that’s far less important 🤓
It’s not so much the size than the spam that I find annoying. It makes comment sections look like a 2003 blog. A size control feature would be welcome though; but what I’d really like is a “Show Custom Emojis” setting, like we have for scores or avatars.
Our emojis are good. Talk to your instance admins about the fact that they are too big for you.
And I mean, if you’re repeating western propaganda and ignoring us when we disprove it with thought terminating cliches, what else are we supposed to assume exactly?
ETA: Also “it isnt about opinions [excuse that isn’t opinions]” but then you start complaining about opinions. SOUNDS like the second part is what you’re really mad about.
I don’t see the use of snarky remarks as any better. Nor the repeating of your own flavor of propaganda, quite honestly. What can I tell you, the enemy of my enemy isn’t automatically my friend, although I may share their expressed values…
You can back out of an interaction that isn’t going your way much more gracefully by simply remaining quiet.
Why engage in the first place? What’s your deal? You reply to me but you don’t want to convey a thought to me? Can you explain your behavior in the context of having any deliberate intent at all?
I’m not the one playing coy about what they’re writing. I’ve been extremely upfront about everything I’ve wanted to say. Save your “NO U” for when it’s in a context that makes it coherent.
Must I remind you of how that interaction went? That your narcissism in wanting every space you enter to cater to you is not only a “you” problem but fucking juvenile and entitled in the extreme?
You’re the architect of your own situation. Maybe start with the attitude you come in with calling people trolls.
But the short answer is yes. We, inclusive of pretty much everyone you’ve ever met, expect you to engage in good faith. If you can’t then don’t cry about ‘trolls’ treating you mean. You deserve it. And may the experience be so negative for you that it inspires a change in your behavior.
If anything, it cements my opinion that red-fascists are no better than the kind folks at exploding-heads (to your credit, you seem genuinely pro-LGBT [which makes it more baffling to see you supporting Xi and Vlady, but I digress], that puts you above them) 🤓
Or an alternative theory is that we genuinely do know better than you having exposed ourselves to more channels of information than you have. And in your self sequestration of calling people ‘trolls’ and refusing to engage with anything outside your bubble you’ve left yourself unable to clear the dissonance of seeing something that doesn’t make sense to you. And yet even in the face of saying out loud that you don’t understand something you have no curiosity. This is the very essence of the LIB
I’m not familiar with the group you referenced earlier as a means of insulting comparison to me, but is “are you triggered?” something you’d expect a member of that community to say?
Only dweebs hide behind subtext, dweeb. Being more verbose and backhanded doesn’t make you different than them.
You’re very upset at being asked to engage in good faith and you’re having a tantrum. In order to flip the script you do exactly what they do. You act exactly the same as them when you get upset.
Google “When you scratch a liberal, a fascist bleeds” and let the number of results be evidence that I’m not just making this up to insult you. You’re basic.
Hey, it’s not my fault if your methods are similar enough to those of a bunch of far-right loons for them to be compared. I genuinely invite you to go take a look at their instance, see for yourself (and expect the worse).
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You’re very upset at being asked to engage in good faith and you’re having a tantrum. In order to flip the script you do exactly what they do. You act exactly the same as them when you get upset.
Google “When you scratch a liberal, a fascist bleeds” and let the number of results be evidence that I’m not just making this up to insult you. You’re basic.
(…) them assuming that anyone disagreeing with them must be a pro-murica propaganda-guzzling librul
The fuck do you know about the methods of people you refuse to engage with at the very beginning? All you know is that you’re upset and you associate being treated rudely by the only political opponents you’ve ever encountered in your sheltered, heavily propagandized western overton window. You think I don’t know what right wing cesspools look like? You think I should respect the word of someone who proudly proclaims their ignorance and lack of curiosity to tell me the nature of either a right wing or a left wing community?
I was tempted to post this in the dunk tank despite it being at the end of a long ultimately pointless slapfight but since you’re already digging this deep in the shit mother fucking look at this one hexbear.net/comment/3713816
Do you have any idea what the hell is going on with that extremely truncated copypasta she keeps giving me? I feel like I’m arguing with peewee’s playhouse over here!
Our ideals are probably still too oppositional for that, but I do appreciate liberals who don’t pretend they have any substantial disagreement with fascists.
But you haven’t said yes, I decided to accommodate you before you could answer, my friend. Ensuring that you’re able to understand what I write is important, I care about you.
You folks boast about being able to read the librul minds better than one; do your magic, use those mentalist abilities to extract the true essence of the words /s 🤓👀❤
“Anti-China chauvinist views” now? Beside accusing you lot of contrarianly shilling for anything that’s against your “enemies”, I haven’t even mentioned a specific country (nor had China in mind at the time of writing, as a matter of fact)😊
I’ll be totally honest with you, I actually envy your power of mind-reading through a screen. You guys are even better at it than this African sorcerer that accurately stated all of my financial and romantic problems, and offered me the lottery’s winning numbers in exchange for my phone not so long ago.
Oh, and I nearly forgot:
(…) them assuming that anyone disagreeing with them must be a pro-murica propaganda-guzzling librul
We know where you get your opinions because they are the opinions being repeated to us the same as you. When your distended belly shoots propaganda past your lips when you speak, there’s no real use in claiming that you didn’t guzzle it beforehand. The only difference is that we recognize it for what it is because unlike you we’ve bothered to look at sources outside of the western consent manufacturing bubble.
When liberals disagree with leftists, they start acting exactly like the reactionaries they pretend they’re not aligned with. “Anyone who disagrees with them MUST be a racist” says the conservative after being called on racism.
There’s also them assuming that anyone disagreeing with them must be a pro-murica propaganda-guzzling librul
Says the liberal after being called on being a western chauvinist.
It’s funny that you must mention reactionaries and conservatives since you folks sound just like the cesspool that is exploding-heads. Just more numerous and organized (smarter has yet to be proven, since you fail just as much to hide your bile behind a veneer of respectability).
I think you can do that with an adblocker like ublock: lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/1887301 this was a suggestion for a beehaw user, but you can replace it with your instance.
The funny thing is, the bigger these threads get over on Hexbear federated instances, the more users from instances like .ca, .ee, or .ml show up complaining about the Hexbears. That stays small in proportion to the actual discussion in the thread, but eventually becomes large in proportion to the stunted version of the thread that .world sees. So despite being defederated with us, .world threads slowly fill up with spam from users complaining about “Hexbear brigaders” as it leaks in and piles up from discussions and dunkings outside of their federation network.
Its far more weird how many people pick one of these countries like its a RPG faction. Can we all agree most of these countries do some totally evil things as far as governments go? Who gives a fuck how much debt they’re in, they’re all just printing their monopoly dollars anyways and we’re stuck with the inflation. Its like people like to masterbate to their favorite team via internet comments.
I haven’t heard about that but I doubt it. Deflation is horrible. It stops economies from functioning. Your money will be worth more the longer you wait to spend it, so you don’t spend it until you need to. No government is going to let deflation happen without something going horribly wrong, which it might be, idk.
Edit: apparently the consumer sector experienced deflation. I believe that means it shrank, not the value of money increased over time, which is what is implied by inflation/deflation without other context. I could be wrong though. Either way, it doesn’t look great.
600+ years of “team white Europe” hooligans and you’re going to complain about unsportsman-like conduct now that the camp you live in will likely have its economy decimated by successful decolonial projects and rematriation of stolen wealth?
The US is the last torchbearer of the “may our team beat their team” that led to the deaths of nearly a billion people, the utter subjugation and domination of multiple billions constituting 80% of the world population, and now that the US finally shows signs of being in an unstoppable collapse and China is creating the conditions for a new global social order you want to say “hey everybody, just be nice to each other and realize all countries are probably bad to the same degree and anybody winning is honestly just as good or bad as anyone else winning”.
Fuck you right in your ass. I complained that everyone in here is pitching their agenda for their favorite country in the comments and what do you do? Exactly that. Learn to read.
You need to learn to distinguish between sports and real life. In real life, we actually engage in historical and political analysis for the purpose of creating better understanding of how societies work so that we can a put our weight behind a better future. In sports we just pick favorites. If you think the people supporting China are just picking favorites, then you are deliberately ignoring everything that goes against your indoctrination and diminishing it so that you don’t have to think and challenge your deeply held beliefs. That’s a lot of effort to, ultimately, just watch North Atlantic fascism go on a global killing spree. Either disengage from politics entirely or get gud, noob.
I see the issue. You’re on Lemmygrad. So naturally everything has to be pro China, pro communism, and the moment someone says “yeah they all suck equally” you have to lick the boot. Seek a prescription for schizophrenia.
Amazingly salient point. It’s clearly schizophrenic to have a political position, research it, and then engage in political debate with ignorant people who believe that their uninformed opinions are not merely worthy of being posted in public but also shouldn’t be challenged because they are both valid and even-keeeled.
Of course, that’s why I joined Lemmygrad, because I decided that team Red was better than other teams, and team Red fans all go to Lemmygrad where we swap stats and gossip about the players and coaches and we root for the red team to build comraderie, sorry, I mean friendships. And then of course we would show up to say “red team good” like a bunch of schizos any time someone says a bad thing about our team because our entire identity is based on whether our jersey wins the world war.
Your grasp of the situation is, of course, astoundingly clear eyed.
:VOMIT:
Ok, with that out of the way, the only one licking boots here is you. No one wants empire to end more than communists. Empire is the antithesis of communism. If you don’t understand that, you’re ignorant and just shouting things at people based on vibes.
But when you look at an enemy of empire, or a victim of empire, and you repeat imperial propaganda against them, you are indistinguishable from boot licking imperial settler racists. The empire doesn’t ask you to love it. The empire only asks that you hate its enemies. And like a good little soldier, that’s the position you hold and express and defend like your life depends on it. When someone says"hey the empire is lying and the enemies of the empire aren’t actually that bad", you go into a frenzied rage, rabidly trying to convince them they have a mental health disorder and that they are blindly rooting for a sports team and cannot see reality like you can. But you’re just ignorant. You don’t have any more information or ability to reason than I do. In fact, you demonstrably have less information than I do. Literally everything you can post about China and Russia not only have I already seen but I have also read a dozen analyses on already.
You have been lied to your entire life. It’s time to read a book and see the world and the empire for what it truly is. And no, LemmyGrad is not the one licking boots here. It’s the people who think NATO is right to expand and stop the evil Russians from their dastardly deeds. It’s the ones who think the US war ships in the South China Sea getting pushed out by China’s projection of power are victims of Chinese expansionism. It’s the ones who think Taiwan and Hong Kong despite being proxies of imperial powers have legitimate claims to autonomy that they should be allowed to use in service of the empire. All of that is boot licking for the empire. And no, it doesn’t matter if you express hatred for the taste, because you keep, fucking, doing it.
What is this dumpster fire of a source? How do they determine bias and what qualifications do they have to do so? Their own about page describes none of these things. It smacks of techbros who think they can remove bias with algorithms.
Ground News isn’t a source per se. They provide links to various news sources so you can see different viewpoints on the same story. They try to align the sources left and right and indicate their factuality but that is just meant to be a guide to allow you to challenge your viewpoints or determine factuality and to make it clear what the ownership structure might be guiding them to write.
I’ve been a paying subscriber for 4 or 5 months after finding them and find it quite reasonable and interesting.
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