some_guy,

We can’t get shit done about active murder of children in Israel. How the fuck are we gonna do anything about passive deaths? I hate the world.

I actually think we should be doing more in every area, don’t read this as me not caring.

livus,
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The Sudan famine is not really "passive" tho, it's a civil war with a genocidal component.

some_guy,

Aha. I am not up on world news, so thanks for informing me.

livus,
livus avatar

No worries. I only wrote one line cos you don't really like me replying to you in my threads, but if you're interested in knowing more my other comment in here explains how this is different from Gaza and we have a better chance of stopping it.

some_guy,

Sounds like you’ve noted my handle and noted disagreements, but I just searched your name in the thread looking for more info and didn’t find an explanation for stopping it. Maybe it was the deleted comment.

livus, (edited )
livus avatar

@some_guy basically I was just pointing out that unlike the Israel situation neither side here is an important US ally. This is going to take either an AU intervention or a UN one.

I don't think we've had disagreements. For reasons I don't really understand you objected to me replying to your comment on my thread once and told me not to reply to your comments. I objected at first but you got quite irate and told me off.

I don't block people because reasons, but I hoped you'd just block me, to avoid a repeat of whatever it was.

I normally refrain from replying to you at all in my threads but in this case I thought it was worth pointing out because the world really can do more for Sudanese civilians if there is more awareness of the situation.

some_guy,

Curious if you could link to when we had a spat? I only recognize a handful of names on Lemmy and most are because they’re super active (not saying you aren’t super active). If my name stands out to you, that seems like the spat must have been noteworthy.

livus,
livus avatar

Sure, I can probably dig it up if you're interested. Like I said, it wasn't a spat, it was just you telling me not to reply to your comments.

I'm a bit of a film fan and was pleasantly surprised when Spielberg of all people said something vaguely against killing civilians in Gaza (half of Hollywood seem to be wildly pro genocide), so I posted it in a movie sub.

Emotive subject, might explain it. Also I get lazy about deleting tags. Maybe when you see it again you'll remember how annoying I am and block me this time!

Anyway here it is, I can't seem to format it for other instances but here it is viewed through kbin.

https://kbin.social/m/movies@lemmy.world/t/922119/Steven-Spielberg-denounces-antisemitism-and-makes-first-comments-on-Gaza#comments

some_guy,

You’re right. I remember that. And I didn’t read the end of the quote. Apologies.

I was all pumped for the A15 protests at the time and I was really mad (still am). I wasn’t saying not to reply, just not to tag or @ me.

Context: I’ve been mad at Spielberg for a while for glorifying war in Priv Ryan. I went into that comment thread with multiple sets of baggage. Apologies again for lashing out without taking in the content in an unbiased fashion. I take ownership when I make mistakes. Cheers.

livus,
livus avatar

Thanks for the apology, it's all good. Glad I can stop avoiding replying to you in my threads.

I am really bad at not backspacing over the pre-populated tag though. Doesn't help that I interact a fair bit with people from Mastodon on here and they tend to use it. Also kbin thread displays can be confusing so the tags help me keep track of the conversation in big threads.

So, yeah I'll try to not tag you but if I ever do start annoying you, do block me.

Omega_Haxors, (edited )

We live in a genocidal world order where zillions of people needlessly die just to keep the genocidal fascists upholding it in power, and the only reason they haven’t been overthrown is because of how many people see themselves as beneficiaries of the genocide.

livus,
livus avatar

There are significant differences between Gaza and Sudan though. We do have a better chance of stopping this one.

With Gaza the genocidaires are a key US ally and consequently the US is aiding them and trying to block interventions by the UN and ICC.

With Sudan neither of the belligerents are important to the US. The SAF is backed by Iran and its opponent the RSF/Janjaweed is nominally backed by United Emirates and also backed by warlords with ties to Wagner group.

The RSF is militarily backed by the United Arab Emirates and has profited greatly from selling conflict gold to Dubai, Chad and Russia, which seeks a base on the Red Sea. The RSF has used genocidal violence and mass rape against non-Arab ethnic groups in Darfur and mass atrocities in other regions to gain territory. 

The corruption-fueled Sudanese Armed Forces is backed by Egypt and Iran, with Iranian drones providing recent battlefield momentum. The SAF is dropping barrel bombs on urban neighborhoods, arresting and torturing Sudanese pro-democracy activists in ghost houses, and committing other grave rights violations.

taladar,

Just a few numbers to put that number into perspective. I am not trying to make any particular point with this post, just trying to get a feeling for how many children/people are affected by this.

Sudan has a population of about 46.87 million people.

One death every two hours would be 4380 deaths a year or about 1 death in 10700 people in the total population.

According to UNICEF

In 2022, the annual number of under-five deaths dropped to 4.9 million.

Of the 4.9 million under-five deaths in 2022, 2.3 million occurred during the first month of life and 2.6 million children died between the ages of 1 and 59 months. The lives of an additional 2.1 million children, adolescents and youth ages 5–24 were also cut tragically short that year. Between 2000 and 2022, the world lost 221 million children, adolescents and youth. That’s nearly the entire population of Nigeria, the sixth-largest country by population. Children younger than 5 comprised 162 million of these lives lost, almost equal to the population of Bangladesh, the world’s eighth-most-populous country. Neonatal deaths accounted for 72 million of those under-five deaths, while 91 million deaths occurred among children aged 1–59 months. And nearly 53 million stillbirths took place between 2000 and 2021 – deaths that are often missed by policymakers and in programme actions and data collection.

The world population in 2022 was 7.951 billion people.

The 4.9 million death figure would be 1 death in 1622 people in the total population, the 2.3 million would be 1 death in 3456 people in the total population, 2.6 million would be 1 in 3058 and 2.1 million would be 1 in 3786.

Presumably the child every two hours is an excess death figure above the deaths that occur under normal circumstances and certainly the numbers will be much higher when those mass starvation occurs.

From the article

Seven million people face the prospect of mass starvation by June.

This would be 1 in 6.7 people in the entire population of the country.

livus,
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Yeah, I think it's going to get much much worse than the current situation, which is already terrible.

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