“I couldn’t dream in my worst nightmare something like this,” says Amir Ben Natan, an attendee of the Supernova Sukkot Gathering rave where hundreds died in Hamas attack
I mean hamas is barbaric but I don’t understand what do these Israelis expect? You can’t imprison/displace millions of people without expecting any backlash? I’m I crazy to think like this?
I’m not blaming the people at the rave but the policy of Israel.
Hamas is a terrorist organisation and awful, but they wouldn’t have the numbers or the motivation without Israel’s actions.
They’re both bad, what just happened is unforgivable, but we can’t just start turning a blind eye to Israel - they aren’t the good guys. They’re talking about cutting off water supply for millions of people in a desert as retaliation. That’s really scary escalation.
Let me steal your home. I will not allow any resistance from you or your future grandkids for a century. I expect you to calmly surrender everything and go die wherever you want. How will you react?
Hamas is a great militant group for Palestine. Israel should be wiped off the map.
I get why Hamas feels justified in doing horrible things. They’re still horrible things. It’s a fucked situation - Israel can say they’re ruthless terrorists, and they’re not wrong, but the reason they are is because they grew up in a warzone with their homes being taken, by Israel.
It’s awful, it’ll take generations of peace before people heal from this, and who knows when that will even start. Wiping Israel off the map probably won’t help but I don’t know what will.
Nah, the people who’ve given up what it is to be human are the ones who run a concentration camp in Gaza and have been committing a genocide against Palestinians. Save your crocodile tears.
Not crazy, but you seem to be applying empathy selectively. The victims deserve being remembered and respected (I’m not specifying a side on purpose). Your comment, though factually correct, lacks basic human decency. You’re basically reacting with a “told you so” to the terrible description of a massacre of young people trying to feel alive.
A peace festival held in outskirts of a concentration camp, where people are getting massacred daily. Where children get separated from their parents or families daily, if not murdered themselves or burned alive or raped. Where people are given just enough electricity, drinking water and food to experience slow death and suffer.
Literally you have the entire world open, and if all the places to party and rave you choose that? It’s pretty ironic to call it a peace festival.
Not directly a peace festival per se, but knowing the crowd at these psy-trance festivals and parties (I used to go to a lot of them), most of them were peace loving misfits forgetting the hardships of life with music and ugh… stuff that makes you happy. I can’t think too long about these poor kids experiencing hell just before they died. There’s no excuse for this, no matter the context
If you’re a regular kid and just happen to be born in Israel, is it reasonable to expect to be massacred because of something that some people in your country do and/or support?
I think both sets of civilians have the right to expect a life free of military oppression and terror, largely uninvolved with the actions of those in charge.
it’s deeply infuriating and heartbreaking each time I see stories about a given military organisation taking it out on people just living their lives, from Ukraine to Russia to China to Palestine to Israel and so on: innocent civilians dying (or worse) because of the decisions of military forces & their leash holders.
A constant problem is either an apathetic or even active citizenry supporting those perpetuating the butchery. They either don't see it as their problem or see a schadenfreude like glee in seeing those they deem "subhuman" or unworthy of respect being treated like scum.
Terrorist attacks won't fix that... but I can see how the downtrodden might see it as just desserts for people who help keep them oppressed.
A constant problem is either an apathetic or even active citizenry supporting those perpetuating the butchery. They either don't see it as their problem or see a schadenfreude like glee in seeing those they deem "subhuman" or unworthy of respect being treated like scum.
Wherever you are in the world, this is almost certainly applicable to you too, it's called propaganda, and we're all subject to it to one degree or another, as well as to education that deliberately doesn't give us the tools to think critically about such things, never mind nationalist indoctrination that comes from only teaching a washed version of history, rather than an honest look at it.
This isn't to justify or excuse the actions of any state or to imply there is a power balance, because there isn't, but it is one of the many ways all states control and manipulate enough of their population to remain in control despite clearly having no value for the lives of their people, only for their own power.
If the people hamas brutalized at this festival were politicians of the Israeli state, or even members of their military or police force, then you may have some kind of point. But these were just innocent people, a good chunk of whom weren’t even from Israel. Was the Israeli state itself aware that there would be further violence caused by their continued oppression of Palestinians? Definitely, and they aren’t the ones who will suffer that violence.
Innocent people who thought it was totally okay to go party and rave on the outskirts of the biggest open air prison on earth, where people are getting massacred daily. Where children get separated from their parents or families daily, if not murdered themselves or burned alive or raped. Where people are given just enough electricity, drinking water and food to experience slow death and suffer.
Literally you have the entire world open, and if all the places to party and rave you choose that? I do not celebrate death, but if anyone to blame, it is themselves.
Hamas has treated their hostages far better than Israel has treated theirs, even though Israel is a recognized state that answers to the international community, and Hamas is a mere militia.
You won’t see me defending Israel. Ive spent a good chunk of my day condemning them. But those Hamas fighters didn’t have to mass murder people at a dance party. What they were doing may have been insensitive given the proximity to Gaza, but they are not responsible for the apartheid state of Israel or the disgusting actions of the IDF or Israeli police force. Their actions would be somewhat understandable if they had only taken hostages, which they also did do, but the indiscriminate murder of innocent people is exactly what we’re condemning Israel for. They didn’t have to murder them. And its unclear what claims are true yet, but if the rest of them are true then they have committed some of the most vile disgusting acts human beings can inflict upon one another. Not that the response by Israel is justified even if they did do those things, but those actions if they are true are unjustifiable and inexcusable in every sense of the word. Rapists are evil, and their actions should see universal condemnation.
Political or military backlash generally comes protest, both totally peaceful and civilly disruptive, and by military action on targets of strategic and military significance.
If Hamas was actually attempting to perform meaningful resistance, it could have targeted a number of military posts that surround Gaza. Instead, they went headfirst into population centers and raped and murdered and kidnapped anyone they could find.
Currently, they have about a hundred hostages, including elderly and children, and are threatening to murder them on a livestream. This is not freedom fighting. This is not righteous resistance. This is Hamas doing what it has always explicitly said they want to do, down to their founding charter, which is to kill as many Jews as possible.
The path to a peaceful coexistence is extremely difficult, and Israel certainly hasn't been trying very hard there either, but barbarism such as this is absolutely indefensible under any circumstances.
Ukraine, for its part, was invaded for no reason by an army known for its brutality that as committed countless acts of terror, but you don't see those acts being returned, because it is not actually necessary to behave like a complete monster when fighting an enemy, no matter how justified your cause is.
A music festival held in outskirts of the biggest open air prison on earth, where people are getting massacred daily. Where children get separated from their parents or families daily, if not murdered themselves or burned alive or raped. Where people are given just enough electricity, drinking water and food to experience slow death and suffer.
Literally you have the entire world open, and if all the places to party and rave you choose that? I do not celebrate death, but if anyone to blame, it is themselves.
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