AphoticDev,

Damn, they’re self-defensing so hard.

dangblingus,

Hasn’t Israel blown past the civilian death toll by now in order to match the music festival attack and call it even?

mlg,
@mlg@lemmy.world avatar

I think it was about 1k for Israel.

Assuming Gaza’s numbers are accurate, yeah they’ve blown past about 8.5 times with 8.5k deaths.

stella,

The United States needs to stop supporting Israel.

satan,

They don’t call em “the most moral army” for notthin

Zerush,
@Zerush@lemmy.ml avatar

But at least also 2 Hamas terrorists are killed in this attac (sarcasm off)

can,
Zerush,
@Zerush@lemmy.ml avatar

Bombing towns and hospitals, I think, is not the best way to liberate them.

dumdum666,

Question: So Hamas is claiming that those people were actually civilians and not their terrorists?

BraveSirZaphod,
BraveSirZaphod avatar

It should be noted that 'refugee camp' is a somewhat misleading term. These are functionally cities that are located where temporary camps were originally located. As refugee status is inherited by Palestinians, these are communities of legal refugees and thus, strictly speaking, refugee camps, but the image is very much not what the term brings to mind.

This is not to downplay the tragedy of civilian casualties; just providing some context that people may not know.

MrKillmister,

but the image is very much not what the term brings to mind.

What I’m seeing and what you’re describing is roughly what I would have expected. Did you think refugee camps are all tents or something?

LaVacaMariposa,

That’s exactly what I think when I read “refugee camp”. Tents for refugees to stay temporarily.

sqgl,

The refugees have been there since 1948. There are apartments and several generations of kids. The headline misleadingly makes them sound like they were displaced this month.

Still tragic that civilians were killed.

zerfuffle,

What do you think a refugee camp is lmao

TinyPizza, (edited )
TinyPizza avatar

As Israel continues their barbaric campaign of death they will lose all their allies on the left. The majority of the upcoming American generations (all progressively more left leaning) won't support our key middle east partner any longer. Israel will be forced into the circles of auth right allies, further solidifying the fascistic ethnostate within. This really is Israels 9/11.

So sad that all the people in these threads claiming to want to defeat Hamas can't understand that every second this continues their victory grows greater. There's always time to stop this madness. There's always time to step back from the abyss and help save Israel, but it needs to be your voices that help do it.

dumdum666,

People of the postcolonialism left, like you, have always hated Israel on principle. There is no losing you as an ally, since people like you never were allies in the first place.

So I guess the Israelis will survive the loss of you as an ally quite well.

TinyPizza,
TinyPizza avatar

Just keep cutting off your nose then. I didn't say I was that ally, but I very much assure you that I used to be. They can absolutely survive the loss, all I was saying is enjoy the fascism at the end of vengeance road.

Blapoo,

“Save Israel”? Who do you think is currently dropping bombs on children?

Limitless_screaming,
Limitless_screaming avatar

He probably meant save them from their genocidal government and it's actions, but truthfully this nation has always been genocidal and it's by design.

TinyPizza,
TinyPizza avatar

Sure. Do you think they are not worth saving? That was the point I was trying to make to people who support Israel. Do I seem unaware of who's dropping the bombs?

can,

I’m confident not every Israeli sees it as a rational response.

TinyPizza,
TinyPizza avatar

Meh, you can only do your best. Ya know?

krzschlss,
@krzschlss@lemmy.world avatar

… “won’t support our key middle east partner any longer” …

lol. They will forget. We are forgetting faster and faster… the new generations are also not caring more and more. And we need oil. Lot’s of oil.

It’s all going as planned. What these butchers (not just Israel, also US and EU) are doing to Palestine today will just be a footnote of a ‘war against terrorists’ in few years.

This genocide is no freak accident (weakened Israeli defense systems my ass). All our politicians hands and by proxy our hands are steeped in blood… and the Nazis are louder and louder in Europe again… cheered on and supported by the mighty american and british media and war machines. All running on oil.

The ones that will still be remembering won’t have any platform to be seen or to act upon…

chaogomu,

Part of the "weakened Israeli defense systems" was Netanyahu redirecting people and assets from around Gaza to the West Bank to aid in the ethnic cleansing over there.

The entire plan was; "ignore Gaza and trust the magical iron dome system to be magic, but use the threat of Hamas to justify an ethnic cleansing where there is no real Hamas presence".

ZombiFrancis,

Some of those people are just burner accounts for the purpose of sending a specific message.

Szymon,

Israeli and Hamas leaders are equal: bringing about the destruction of their people for political gain.

May those who never had a fair chance at life, meeting a painful and fearful end, find rest and peace in their next journey.

dmonzel,

One is fighting for freedom. The other is committing genocide. They are not the same.

sonori,
@sonori@beehaw.org avatar

Meh, their similar enough that up until 2019 Israel publicly funded Hamas to explicitly weaken the Palestinian government. Both sides want thier little far right ethnostate. The only distinction in their minds is which race gets it.

dmonzel,

One has nukes. The other doesn’t have a standing military. They’re not “similar enough” at all.

sonori,
@sonori@beehaw.org avatar

The capacity to enforce thier ethnostate doesn’t seem like that much of a change when discussing thier idoligy. If Russia or Pakistan have Hamas a standing army and nukes tomorrow i doubt they would suddenly change thier stated end goals, simpley be capible of far more violence in furtherance of thouse goals.

MxM111,
MxM111 avatar

Gaza is self governed. Hamas is specifically targeting civilian Jews, while using Palestinian civilians as human shield, welcoming response by IDF that inadvertently kills some civilians. They are not your “freedom fighters”. With their goal to destroy Israel, they are the ones committing genocide, luckily unsuccessfully.

TinyPizza,
TinyPizza avatar

Hey @dumdum666 ^ I think I found another candidate for you to urge toward mental health services. Thank you for the help!

dumdum666,

@TinyPizza

Maybe.

But you for sure could use it as well.

TinyPizza,
TinyPizza avatar

I already go to therapy. Honestly, we probably all should. Thank you for the care and concern my friend! Keep up the noble work.

chaogomu,

Gaza is a self governed open air prison, where there are several generations of people who have been born in captivity.

Most of the residents are stateless. They have no legal protections under any law. They have no birth certificates, they have no passports. They literally could not leave, even if Israel didn't have armed checkpoints around them.

Their "government" of Hamas, was also sort of imposed on them by Israel, in an effort to keep Palestine divided.

The Palestinians are refugees in the land where their parents and grandparents were born, going back for hundreds or thousands of years. All in the name of modern colonizers who claim their imaginary sky daddy gave them the land a few thousand years ago.

Szymon,

This will end with the destruction of an entire culture and sets back peaceful discourse for generations. Not enough people with a voice weep for the suffering of the innocent, regardless of the perpetrator.

Whatsit_Tooya,

No need for peace talks if you exterminate the other side taps forehead - Israel probably.

It’s truly a shame to watch this play out. And no this doesn’t mean I support Hamas. I just also don’t support Israel.

homoludens,

No need for peace talks if you exterminate the other side taps forehead - Israel probably.

Yes, they are trying to bribe Egypt to take refugees because… it’s so much easier to kill Palestinians after they fled to Egypt?

What Israel does is bad enough in and of itself, there’s no need to invent stuff like that.

TinyPizza,
TinyPizza avatar

Those people need food and water. It's not just the ordinance doing the killing right now.

Cethin,

I agree native Americans should have had the ability and freedom to fight against their colonizing oppressors, and I think the same applies for any other group, Palestinians included. Should that be through Hamas? I don’t know. It’s not really for me to judge. They’re being oppressed and murdered by a much more powerful force which is getting weapons and support from the most powerful nations in the world. They aren’t going to win a conventional battle. The only option is what Israel will always call terrorism. What restrictions should be applied isn’t really up for us to decide until we at least stop supporting the Zionists.

user_2345,

The Taliban will teach distraught family members how to deal with their enemies. I guarantee it.

can,

It’s hard to imagine how they can’t realize this is just leading to further radicalization. So much so I have to wonder if that’s either the goal or they simply don’t intend on leaving anyone left at the end of this.

mjhelto,

They know, but war is good for business and reelection efforts.

burntbutterbiscuits,

If the war ends, Netanyahu will be ousted from power and most likely convicted for fraud for previous crimes. That’s why he has set the goal of eradicating hamas. I guess we will know when hamas has been eradicated when they update their website to tell us that they are all dead?

Netanyahu is using this war to stop from going to jail.

can, (edited )

Eliminating Hamas is a worthy goal but this simply can’t be the only way.

burntbutterbiscuits,

It’s an unrealistic goal that is impossible to reach.

Which is why Netanyahu has set this as the goal.

How will we know when Hamas has been destroyed?

Netanyahu is playing games with the future of Israel because all he cares about is his own pitiful self.

can, (edited )

Yeah I’m not saying I have any answers now that it’s come to this point. But not bolstering Hamas in the past and actually allowing the palistinians civilians some hope would have done wonders.

burntbutterbiscuits,

I’m having trouble reading which comment this is in response to…. Yay lemmy lol but I hope you’re doing well and your family is safe etc

can,

Are you using an app or browser? I was replying to this comment. Hope you and your family are good too btw lol.

burntbutterbiscuits,

I like the idea of giving Palestinians hope but I am just a human being

Therealgoodjanet,

Apparently it isn’t bad enough they are in refugee camps and they all have to die. This will never stop, it is so tragic.

tygerprints,

Shame on Israeli for this insupportable massacre of human life, and on the Hamas participants who started this conflict. All who commit murder in the name of war, shall burn for eternity in hell. Without any exception of any kind. No human has the right or the justification (OF ANY KIND) to murder another, no matter what, no matter the circumstances, no matter the depravity of the society around them.

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