sharkfucker420,
@sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml avatar

Capitalism

mlg,
@mlg@lemmy.world avatar

Catalytic converters and basically all modern industrial post processing of byproduct are expensive in the eyes of any 3rd world country.

Pakistan has the same issues right next door.

Pakistan won’t do it until bribe money can be invovled in it. India won’t do it until it’s practically free.

Doesn’t excuse them from not trying at all, but it is unlikely nothing besides maybe some traffic limiters will ever be implemented.

HowMany,

Because corporate profit means more than people.

YeetPics,
@YeetPics@mander.xyz avatar

I heard the smog come directly from the phones in sector 5. Every scam call is 30m³ of co2 released. (They make a lot of calls).

WetBeardHairs,

They should’ve used another picture of Beijing from the same perspective to demonstrate the difference in smog. Honestly… that picture of the building looks smoggy to me.

Damage,

China is a dictatorship, the government decides to do something, no choice but to do it.

India is a democracy, government’s got to convince everyone, including the powerful and moneyed that the thing they want to do is worth it.

zerfuffle,

Sounds like democracy doesn’t benefit the people idk

Patches,

Sounds like neither benefits the people.

It should’ve never been bad to begin with. That smog didn’t just magically disappear. It’s in their soil, their water, their body.

zerfuffle,

Why?

Oh, right, because they are building and growing goods being sold halfway around the world

Juno,

Sounds like the people have no say otherwise, idk

zerfuffle,

A democracy where people have a voice that the ruling class can choose to ignore. Hmm.

Democracy runs opposed to capitalism.

Juno,

Whatever commie

emergencyfood,

India is a democracy, government’s got to convince everyone …

India is a federation of ~30 states, with wildly varying levels of democracy. Now this is usually a good thing; it has allowed us to accomodate a great deal of cultural and economic diversity without breaking up. But a major cause of the pollution in Delhi is stubble burning in neighbouring, which the government of Delhi has no power over. And the union (i.e. federal) government is led by a different party, so they don’t co-operate with the Delhi government.

TheAnonymouseJoker,
@TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml avatar

You got no idea how India works, or how dictatorships with a “democracy” mask work, liberal virtue signaller.

yogthos,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

LMFAO the only people who call China a dictatorship are racist weirdos from the west who couldn’t find China on the map. Here’s what people actually living in China have to say web.archive.org/…/Democracy Perception Index 2023…

Catfish,
@Catfish@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Don’t be ridiculous, the opinions of the citizens of other countries don’t matter! What really matters is how I, the enlightened Westerner feel about it based off of what my country’s state media tells me! Chinese people don’t know what they really want, which is a new cold war egged on by dangerous hoaxes and sinophobia!

yogthos,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

Given the massive downvotes, it’s pretty clear this is what a lot of people here think completely unironically.

Catfish,
@Catfish@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Oh yes, absolutely. Products of the most effective propaganda machine in history.

zepheriths,

You see, a history of lying helps.

jeena,
@jeena@jemmy.jeena.net avatar

As far as I understamd they just moved the factories and cole power plants further away from Bejing.

lorty, (edited )
@lorty@lemmygrad.ml avatar

So the smoke isn’t where most people live? Seems like a good idea.

Zastyion345,

Yes it is until you realize that the smoke/pollution can go jut about anywhere: water, soil, rain, food sources etc.

It is like idk moving a problem some where else it isn’t actualy solving that problem. smh

bamboo,

If the problem is “large number of citizens are negatively effected by excessive smog levels”, it does fix the problem.

queermunist,
@queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

One problem at a time.

zerfuffle,

Emissions standards were enforced on coal power plants, cars were tightly regulated, and home energy was pushed towards gas (which burns with less particulate emissions) or electricity.

Skua, (edited )

Having four times the population density (5900 people per square km vs 1300 numbers are chosen poorly, see exchange with zershuffle in the replies) and way less money to throw at the problem can't help. Not to say that it's hopeless or that India shouldn't try to clean up its air, of course, but the problem at a glance definitely looks tougher to solve for New Delhi than for Beijing

zerfuffle,

Comparing New Delhi (an area of 43km2) to the Beijing metropolitan area (16400km2)… Nice.

Skua,

That was actually a mistake on my part, thank you for catching that. It looks like the National Capital Territory of Delhi with a population of 16.8 million would be the better comparison? And that has an even higher density

zerfuffle,

It’s a different definition of metropolitan area, I think. A lot of Beijing’s area is extremely sparsely populated, moreso than Delhi’s.

burningmatches,

A huge amount of the pollution comes from farmers burning stubble. The solution to that isn’t complex.

athos77,

Because India is less autocratic than China. Next!

yogthos,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

When you definitely know what autocratic means.

u_tamtam,
@u_tamtam@programming.dev avatar

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autocracy

Autocracy is a system of government in which absolute power is held by the ruler, known as an autocrat. It includes most forms of monarchy and dictatorship, while it is contrasted with democracy and feudalism.

That checks out.

yogthos,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

We’re talking about China and not the US here bud. Nice try though, keep exposing yourself as an utter clown.

Perfide,

The US isn’t an autocracy, it’s an oligarchy(which is also bad, obviously). China absolutely is an autocracy though.

yogthos,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

China is absolutely not an autocracy. Here are a few resources on how the system actually works in China, and if you think that’s an autocracy then you really have no clue what autocracy is.

Here’s how elections work in China nitter.net/thinking_panda/…/1305784641262026752

Turns out, people actually living in China see their system as a democracy, pretty sure they have a better idea of what their system is than you do

In fact, far more people in China see their system as being democratic than in any western nation.

A Harvard study also shows that the government has mass popular support from the public, another phenomenon we don’t see in any western nation calling itself a democracy ash.harvard.edu/…/understanding-ccp-resilience-su…

Maybe learn how Chinese political system actually works in China instead of just regurgitating misinformation you’ve been spoon fed by western propagandists?

u_tamtam,
@u_tamtam@programming.dev avatar

Do you consider it normal that a mere dictionary citation triggers such a violent, unhinged and irrelevant response?

yogthos,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

Do you consider it normal to spend your time doing obvious trolling? Kind of hilarious that a person who has an urge to jump into a thread to spread misinformation would talk about violent, unhinged and irrelevant response. Seems like you’re doing a bit of projecting there bud.

u_tamtam,
@u_tamtam@programming.dev avatar

Who is trolling here? Who is posting uninformative comments? Mine were on topic, yours jumped on my neck with insults. It’s your right to disagree with what I have to say, though none of what you posted here has any argumentative value.

yogthos,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

The fact that you think your comment was on topic is really the cherry on the cake here. Perhaps you really don’t realize you’re a troll.

u_tamtam,
@u_tamtam@programming.dev avatar

well, if there’s one troll in this discussion, it’s probably the only person making personal attacks and refusing to engage in a constructive discourse:

  • “When you definitely know what autocratic means.”
  • “Nice try though, keep exposing yourself as an utter clown.”
  • “spend your time doing obvious trolling” “Seems like you’re doing a bit of projecting there bud.”
  • “Perhaps you really don’t realize you’re a troll.”

I don’t see any argument being made here nor the discussion going forward as the exchange progresses.
As I wrote before, you are entitled to your own ideas, and this place is to share them. But if you keep repeating that others are trolls and insulting them 5 messages in a row, well, that’s some serious waste of electrons.

yogthos,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

Not only have I made an argument, I even provided detailed sources supporting it lemmy.ml/comment/5942658

Meanwhile, you provided a wikipedia link to autocracy and then said that’s what Chinese system is which is what actual trolling in this thread is. Every time there’s a thread about China, you crawl out of your hole to spread misinformation on the subject. Evidently this is a passion of yours.

Then when you’re called out on your bullshit, you start gas lighting and acting as if you’re the reasonable party in the discussion. You’re not fooling anybody with this act of yours. I’ve tried engaging in constructive discourse you before, and quickly realized that you have absolutely no interest in having any sort of constructive discourse. All you do is lie and gas light. That’s what makes you a troll.

u_tamtam,
@u_tamtam@programming.dev avatar

Not only have I made an argument, I even provided detailed sources supporting it lemmy.ml/comment/5942658

What are you talking about? This isn’t a response to me nor OP, this isn’t even a response you posted in this thread, and your response is no longer even listed on the source article thread. You are just throwing insults faster than you can read, apparently.

Meanwhile, you provided a wikipedia link to autocracy and then said that’s what Chinese system is which is what actual trolling in this thread is.

No, it is not. I am entitled to my opinions, which I substantiated, and you should accept that not everyone agrees with yours. But more importantly, I’m not criticizing you for not agreeing with me (like you do), I’m criticizing that none of your posts contains anything of substance other than insults. You really can’t turn that into a problem “with me”.

If you cannot tolerate comments about China, from someone who spends a fair amount of their time and life there, I guess you can just block me? Bye.

yogthos,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

What are you talking about? This isn’t a response to me nor OP, this isn’t even a response you posted in this thread, and your response is no longer even listed on the source article thread. You are just throwing insults faster than you can read, apparently.

I notice you completely avoided addressing the content of the response. Not sure how it’s my fault it’s no longer visible.

am entitled to my opinions, which I substantiated

Except you haven’t substantiated your opinions, you just stated nonsense and except it to be treated seriously.

I’m criticizing that none of your posts contains anything of substance other than insults.

Why do you feel the need to keep lying like this. I literally just linked you to my post containing a detailed sourced explanation.

If you cannot tolerate comments about China, from someone who spends a fair amount of their time and life there, I guess you can just block me? Bye.

Love how you throw out the argument from authority there instead of actually saying anything of substance. Bye.

cecinestpasunbot,

It really doesn’t.

athos77,

You seem to have mis-read my comment. I did not say that China was an autocracy, I said that it was more autocratic than India - there's a huge difference.

yogthos,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

That’s still a completely baseless assertion as I’ve explained in detail down in this thread.

ChemicalPilgrim,

So autocracies are better on environmental policy?

coffeebiscuit, (edited )

That’s clearly not invisible.

Lord_ToRA,
@Lord_ToRA@lemmy.world avatar

Gotta love the ironic use of ‘clearly’. Nice.

casmael,

Tbh it’s not clearly anything, it’s not clear at all. In fact it’s pretty opaque.

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