HeliaXyana,
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I wonder what tense you've all chosen to write in and why.

I know past tense is likely the most common, but I have experimented with both and decided that present tense offers more direct immersion for my purposes.
This also ties into who the narrator is. In my WIP, it is a person in the room invisibly tagging along with the MC.

How did you decide, and is it reflected in the identity of the narrator?

Firlefanz,
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@HeliaXyana

I will admit do being old-fashioned and preferring past tense for both my writing and reading.

There is one exception, a short story I wrote that really only works in present tense.

But generally, I find it too... intense. It also feels pretentious, often creating a sense of urgency that the plot doesn't support. Usually, I will decline to buy stories written in present tense...

I write both 1st person and close 3rd person (also dislike the omniscient narrator).

HeliaXyana,
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@Firlefanz

Is it old-fashioned? I suppose it's the original "Once Upon a Time..."

What irks me is when the tense and POV do not match the story. When 3rd person and past tense is taken as the default.

I like present tense for stories in which you are not really supposed to know what is going on or have to figure it out but don't get it served up.

Past tense seems to make more sense for structured story arcs and closed-ended stories.

Firlefanz,
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@HeliaXyana

I see a lot of present tense in romance, and it irks me. Just rubs me wrong. False urgency, pushing readers, maybe pretending to be more like TV? I don't know.

It also feels like a fashion. shrugs

But yeah, my preference for past tense makes me feel like a grumpy old woman right now. 😂

HeliaXyana,
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@Firlefanz

Oh, that is a good insight. I suppose it does inch a bit closer to screenplay writing than past tense.

I didn't know romance was so present-tense heavy. Perhaps that makes sense. It might be an easy way to emphasize some emersion.

Ah, a personal preference doesn't make you a grumpy old woman. That would be more the case if you started telling everyone they have to write in past tense.

Firlefanz,
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@HeliaXyana

Nah... who am I to tell people how to write?

We are all different, fortunately!

(And fortunately for me, there is plenty of past-tense Romance, as well. But I see it there more often than in Fantasy or SF.)

HeliaXyana,
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@Firlefanz

Absolutely. Not here to judge but honestly curious about how it is perceived and why.

Isn't past tense a little odd in romance sometimes? Unless it is narrated as a recount from one of the characters it always makes me a little confused about the narrator in case of intimate details and such.

pretensesoup,
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@HeliaXyana I mean, all fiction is like that. There is a certain suspension of disbelief. It would be very postmodern to somehow set a whole novel in the present forever, because your words are necessarily pinned down once you've written them.

Personally I tend to prefer 3rd limited past tense unless there's a really good reason not to. Too many first person POVs can feel indistinct and present tense feels like fanfiction. And 2nd person means something Literary is happening.

@Firlefanz

HeliaXyana,
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@pretensesoup @Firlefanz

Ah, yes. I think everyone suspends their disbelief a bit differently.

I had not considered fan fiction yet. I'm not too familiar with it, honestly. Is that predominantly present tense?

pretensesoup,
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@HeliaXyana @Firlefanz

I'm sure there are those on here with more familiarity than I, but what I've read seems to be largely present tense. I realize I sounded a little derogatory in my prev post. Lots of fanfic is very good!

I think writers think much more about tense than readers do, tbh. Some people profess strong preferences, but I don't pay much attention as long as the book is well written.

HeliaXyana,
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@pretensesoup @Firlefanz

That is precisely what got me pondering on this. I remembered an old professor telling me that past tense was the only valid tense to write in.

Of course, this is nonsense, but when I considered it, I wondered how many authors may have been imprinted with that idea and would have written more interesting work if they had considered present tense an option.

Firlefanz,
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@HeliaXyana

Fun fact: When I wrote my first ever story, I thought I'd be clever and write it in present tense. (I also wrote it in German, because I was conceited enough to want to offer original fantasy in German, instead of all the bad translations we get...)

Rewrote three novels to past tense... the present tense just felt wrong, like a rookie mistake.

Now I'm writing for an English-language audience, and happy to do so.

@pretensesoup

HeliaXyana,
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@Firlefanz @pretensesoup

Oh, that is interesting. What made it feel like such a rookie mistake? Was it not a conscious choice?

It would be interesting to rewrite a random chapter from one tense to the other. It seems like a good way to make sure it's what fits the story the most.

Firlefanz,
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@HeliaXyana

I think it was the attempt to be clever that made it feel stupid in the end.

@pretensesoup

HeliaXyana,
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@Firlefanz @pretensesoup

I've been there. I had an obsession with utterly obscure words in my narration, which made the writing incredibly hard to read. It was a mix of a genuine fondness for obscure words and trying to seem clever.

I was urged to sprinkle in complicated words because of how susceptible academia is to such tricks.

So now I simply have a character who is fond of odd words. This makes it much more manageable, and I can have some SC ask what in the world she's talking about.

SJHoodlet,
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HeliaXyana,
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@SJHoodlet @Firlefanz

Oh, that is a fun way to put it. It creates a fear of missing out if you put the book down. I can see that. That's a fun aspect to play with.

SJHoodlet,
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@HeliaXyana @Firlefanz
Fear of missing out is exactly how I'd describe it.

I can see how that could be fun. I've read some books like that, but I can't do that all the time. I like my more gentle-paced stories—especially romance.

(FWIW, my debut novel, The Way of the Wielder, is a romantic fantasy told in 3rd person past tense.)

HeliaXyana,
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@SJHoodlet @Firlefanz

The pace of the story, that is interesting.

I can't read very fast, which may explain why I get the sense that the progression is sluggish in some past-tense/third-person narrated novels.

Would you say you read with ease?

Firlefanz,
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@HeliaXyana @SJHoodlet

Yes. I'm a fast reader, have always been. I could read within a few weeks of school and never looked back.

So maybe past tense has the right "speed" for me.

HeliaXyana,
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@Firlefanz @SJHoodlet

I'm dyslexic and read at a different pace than most. Perhaps that's partially why the pace of present tense appeals to me.

Firlefanz,
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@HeliaXyana @SJHoodlet

That really is a fascinating theory. :) We should launch a poll!

HeliaXyana,
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@Firlefanz @SJHoodlet

If you can't read at the 'normal' speed, for example, because of dyslexia, do you prefer past or present tense when reading a novel?

HeliaXyana,
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@Firlefanz @SJHoodlet

As requested: here is a list of present-tense books(from the interwebs) as an example:

"War and Peace" by Leo Tolstoy

"Great Expectations" by Charles Dickens

"Ulysses" by James Joyce

"1984" by George Orwell

"To Kill a Mockingbird" by Harper Lee

"Tale of Two Cities" by Charles Dickens

"Crime and Punishment" by Fyodor Dostoevsky

"One Hundred Years of Solitude" by Gabriel Garcia Marquez

"Moby Dick" by Herman Melville

"Pride and Prejudice" by Jane Austen

Firlefanz,
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@HeliaXyana

That list cannot be right.

I read all Jane Austen books. None of them is in present tense.

Nor is "To Kill a Mockingbird".

1984 is not, either. I just pulled up a sample.

Moby Dick isn't, either, although Chapter 1 is, as the narrator is talking directly to the readers. (Pulled up screenshots of an old copy of it.)

So yeah, I do not trust that list. It's clearly wrong.

@SJHoodlet

HeliaXyana,
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@Firlefanz @SJHoodlet

Yeah, I doubted it as well. Perhaps it's mixed tense.

Firlefanz,
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@HeliaXyana

Only Moby Dick, and only in the way that the narrator runs his mind in chapter 1 for a little, addressing the reader directly.

The rest are just normal past tense stories.

I'm sure the list was supposed to justify present tense use with classic stories, but... it's basically a lie.

If you google the title with "book", you can read a sample of the books. Easy to check them out.

@SJHoodlet

wendypalmer,
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@SJHoodlet @HeliaXyana @Firlefanz I almost always write in close third person, single POV, past tense, but for my last book, an extra POV character popped up and he was present tense, because he was someone who lived in the moment, created his own drama, acted without thinking…present tense suited him to a tee.

And in my current WIP I use it to represent visions.

For me, it’s less about pacing (in a fast reader either way)

HeliaXyana,
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@Firlefanz

I've seen others describe present tense as a bit pretentious. I thought it was looked down on.

Perhaps it has a history and context that I'm missing.

Gravewyck,
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@HeliaXyana @Firlefanz I have a story I'm working on that heavily relies on the present tense. The narrator appears to be a passive observer. The intent is to narrow the readers' focus and make the story feel claustrophobic and imminent.

It's a challenge.

Firlefanz,
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@Gravewyck

Good luck with it!

I will agree that some stories work better with present tense. 🙂

I just don't usually enjoy it, but that's on me. (Also not a fan of most literary story telling.)

@HeliaXyana

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